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you don't buy a console that has games that can be played on previous gen consoles. now if it had BC I would get why but not without. it has no big exclusives so why bother



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(


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The big guns aren't out for the X1 yet. Titanfall was multi platform and the X1 hasn't seen any great exclusive content since near launch of the X1.

Edit: PVZ Garden Warfare was the biggest release this year outside of Titanfall and ended up going multiplatform, and was already on the 360 as well much like Titanfall.


I think the picture will be different once Sunset Overdrive and Halo Collection are both out. MS did kinda shoot themselves in the foot making Forza Horizon 2 on the 360, yet at the same time they probably didn't want to feel the wrath of 360 only owners complaining about no major first party 360 titles releasing in 2014. I'd imagine the 360 gets a cross gen title in 2015 as well.

 

TDLR - X1 has no games meme.



It's just that simple.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
padib said:

It's definitely an interesting analysis but the part I argued you didn't address. What happens to the regional discrepancies, they poke big holes in your theory.

Just analyze US for example.


You didnt find any holes in my theory. I agreed with you that MS took a chunk out of the N64's marketshare, but you still got the numbers wrong and it had nothing to do with Rare. Rare was purchased by MS a year after Halo came out and Rare had completed their final game for Nintendo in the same year of the purchase. When the Stamper Brothers left Rare they left the name and the IP's but the heart and soul of Rare was truly gone and the key developers in Rare who created Goldeneye left to Free Radical which is why Timesplitters plays so close to Goldeneye. Of course once Halo came out people werent really impressed, but the GC and PS2 at least had  decent shooter. If MS had an ounce of creativity Rare would still be a thriving company today, but no...they are second rate now. No direction at all. 

As for these points...

"Related is the fact that the sales for the twins in the US exceeded by far the sales of the PS2:

PosPlatformNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 PlayStation 2 (PS2) 53.65 55.28 23.18 25.57 157.68
6 PlayStation 3 (PS3) 28.56 32.98 10.05 11.39 82.98
7 Xbox 360 (X360) 47.25 25.23 1.66 8.45 82.59

twins total in US = 76M vs 53.65M for PS2."

1) You never read what I wrote properly. I attributed almost half of Sony's marketshare loss to Microsoft since the numbers came up to that. The last bit went to the Nintendo Wii.

2) Japan's interest in the console market is dwindling. They are mainly focused on handhelds

 

As for this...

"Another thing, the latest argument for TLOU:R is that many PS4 fans don't own PS3s. If that's true, then it seems like there is a lot more movement than we like to think. Some start gaming, some stop, we really have no idea what happens to owners between gens."

That is true for any console. Only a portion of the crowd buys the exclusives. Rarely is it ever at extremely high percentages attached to console sales like the Wii Sports bundles. Wii Sports was the game every non-gamer and their grandmother wanted to play.

It still doesn't explain the regional numbers in light of your theory. In US:

How does half of PS2 (53.65M / 2 =~ 27M) become 47.25M (Microsoft's marketshare in US)?



Well the reason probably is because 360 owners dont wanna miss out the upcoming games coming soon for the 360. There are actually a lot of games still in development and upgrading to XBone is just not the right time as it does not have much games. Well, we'll wait and see :3



jlmurph2 said:
If that's the case, what happened to the Wii fans? Xbox One is 1 year behind Wii U and less than 2 million behind. I think it goes both ways.


The majority of the Wii fans who jumped on the gaming bandwagon were not actual gamers. They were just enjoying the fad.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:
If that's the case, what happened to the Wii fans? Xbox One is 1 year behind Wii U and less than 2 million behind. I think it goes both ways.


The majority of the Wii fans who jumped on the gaming bandwagon were not actual gamers. They were just enjoying the fad.

The thing you don't realize is that a lot of people who enjoyed games on the Wii enjoyed similar games on the PS2.

For some reason you prefer to ignore that and just brush off the Wii as a fad.

It's pure bias. There's nothing logical about your view on the Wii.



padib said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:
If that's the case, what happened to the Wii fans? Xbox One is 1 year behind Wii U and less than 2 million behind. I think it goes both ways.


The majority of the Wii fans who jumped on the gaming bandwagon were not actual gamers. They were just enjoying the fad.

The thing you don't realize is that a lot of people who enjoyed games on the Wii enjoyed similar games on the PS2.

For some reason you prefer to ignore that and just brush off the Wii as a fad.

It's pure bias.

This isn't bias but rather a fact that you conveniently seem to ignore. Nintendo won the gen, but off of the backs of people who don't really care about gaming. They dumbed it down just enough for them to grasp gaming in passing and then throw it out. The Nielsens recorded more hours of usage for the Gamecube than the Wii and it had almost 80 million gamers more. This means the majority..did not see the console fit to be playing all the time. Do not even compare the Wii to the PS2. Its library was a disgrace compared.

"Nielsens reveals actual Wii usage is terribly low"- 2009

The Xbox 360 was the console with the highest percentage of use, followed by the PS3, the original Xbox, the PS2, Nintendo's Gamecube, and finally the Wii. The study also shows that the Wii has more female gamers than the Xbox 360 and more than the 360 and PS3 combined.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nielsen-Games-Study-Reveals-Nintendo-Wii-Usage-Is-Terribly-Low-19167.html

"Nielsen's just released their anxiously awaited "State of the Video Gamer" report, and while it's a real page-turner, there aren't exactly any surprises in store for readers. Conducted in December of 2008, Nielsen investigated use of the three major consoles -- the Nintendo Wii, the Xbox 360, and the PS3. The study found that of those three, owners of the Xbox 360 got the most use out of their console -- an average of 11.4 percent of the time for the duration of the poll, while the PS3 came in a close second at 10.6 percent. The originalXbox followed directly behind that with 10.2 percent, while Wii owners gamed a sad 6.8 percent of the time... far less than that of even PS2 owners. The Wii also came in last place in terms of total days used during the poll, with an average of 5 days (PS3 and Xbox 360 users averaged 6.8 and 7.1, respectively). Hit the read link for the full, breathtaking study and see how you measure up! "

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/neilsen-report-ranks-gaming-usage-for-wii-ps3-and-xbox-360-con/



S.T.A.G.E. said:

This isn't bias but rather a fact that you conveniently seem to ignore. Nintendo won the gen, but off of the backs of people who don't really care about gaming. They dumbed it down just enough for them to grasp gaming in passing and then throw it out. The Nielsens recorded more hours of usage for the Gamecube than the Wii and it had almost 80 million gamers more. This means the majority..did not see the console fit to be playing all the time. Do not even compare the Wii to the PS2. Its library was a disgrace compared.

"Nielsens reveals actual Wii usage is terribly low"- 2009

The Xbox 360 was the console with the highest percentage of use, followed by the PS3, the original Xbox, the PS2, Nintendo's Gamecube, and finally the Wii. The study also shows that the Wii has more female gamers than the Xbox 360 and more than the 360 and PS3 combined.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nielsen-Games-Study-Reveals-Nintendo-Wii-Usage-Is-Terribly-Low-19167.html

"Nielsen's just released their anxiously awaited "State of the Video Gamer" report, and while it's a real page-turner, there aren't exactly any surprises in store for readers. Conducted in December of 2008, Nielsen investigated use of the three major consoles -- the Nintendo Wii, the Xbox 360, and the PS3. The study found that of those three, owners of the Xbox 360 got the most use out of their console -- an average of 11.4 percent of the time for the duration of the poll, while the PS3 came in a close second at 10.6 percent. The originalXbox followed directly behind that with 10.2 percent, while Wii owners gamed a sad 6.8 percent of the time... far less than that of even PS2 owners. The Wii also came in last place in terms of total days used during the poll, with an average of 5 days (PS3 and Xbox 360 users averaged 6.8 and 7.1, respectively). Hit the read link for the full, breathtaking study and see how you measure up! "

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/neilsen-report-ranks-gaming-usage-for-wii-ps3-and-xbox-360-con/

It doesn't matter!

The portion of PS2 gamers that played games like Guitar hero and Babiez type games were many on the Wii. We know that by virtue of the games that were bought on the PS2, many were for non-gamers...

Even if the PS2 owners logged a heavy amount of playtime, it's unknown which fragment of the immense 150M gaming population played that time, and which played casually.

I'm not ignoring anything you are misusing facts to fit an eschewed view.



padib said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

This isn't bias but rather a fact that you conveniently seem to ignore. Nintendo won the gen, but off of the backs of people who don't really care about gaming. They dumbed it down just enough for them to grasp gaming in passing and then throw it out. The Nielsens recorded more hours of usage for the Gamecube than the Wii and it had almost 80 million gamers more. This means the majority..did not see the console fit to be playing all the time. Do not even compare the Wii to the PS2. Its library was a disgrace compared.

"Nielsens reveals actual Wii usage is terribly low"- 2009

The Xbox 360 was the console with the highest percentage of use, followed by the PS3, the original Xbox, the PS2, Nintendo's Gamecube, and finally the Wii. The study also shows that the Wii has more female gamers than the Xbox 360 and more than the 360 and PS3 combined.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nielsen-Games-Study-Reveals-Nintendo-Wii-Usage-Is-Terribly-Low-19167.html

"Nielsen's just released their anxiously awaited "State of the Video Gamer" report, and while it's a real page-turner, there aren't exactly any surprises in store for readers. Conducted in December of 2008, Nielsen investigated use of the three major consoles -- the Nintendo Wii, the Xbox 360, and the PS3. The study found that of those three, owners of the Xbox 360 got the most use out of their console -- an average of 11.4 percent of the time for the duration of the poll, while the PS3 came in a close second at 10.6 percent. The originalXbox followed directly behind that with 10.2 percent, while Wii owners gamed a sad 6.8 percent of the time... far less than that of even PS2 owners. The Wii also came in last place in terms of total days used during the poll, with an average of 5 days (PS3 and Xbox 360 users averaged 6.8 and 7.1, respectively). Hit the read link for the full, breathtaking study and see how you measure up! "

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/neilsen-report-ranks-gaming-usage-for-wii-ps3-and-xbox-360-con/

It doesn't matter!

The portion of PS2 gamers that played games like Guitar hero and Babiez type games were many on the Wii. We know that by virtue of the games that were bought on the PS2, many were for non-gamers...

Even if the PS2 owners logged a heavy amount of playtime, it's unknown which fragment of the immense 150M gaming population played that time, and which played casually.

I'm not ignoring anything you are misusing facts to fit an eschewed view.


No. I am not misusing facts. The Wii was a paper weight where most people enjoyed Wii Sports and then threw it away. Even during the years of its high sales it still recorded lower usage than consoles who sold half of what it sold or in other cases wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less. As I said before, gamers seemed to have recieved more usage from the Gamecube. That is sad. Even Guitar Hero demanded more skill and had tournaments compared to a lot of the casual games on the Wii. 

The PS2 had a stronger library from a more diverse group of developers who werent looking at the console as a quick cash grab. This is why you see so many cash grab games on the Wii in the first place. The intent wasnt exactly there to build a library off of quality because non-gamers and little kids wouldnt know the difference.



There are no good games yet. Mutliplatforms are on X360.