The one who has the most GAMES has the power. Learn it. Although I fail to see how this has anything to do with my point. You probably misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Anyway. History lesson: It was almost solely first party games that rocketed the early NES into the stratosphere. Not the early third party games.

You're saying the same thing i said. He with the most games has third party smart one. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing even when were pretty much agreeing. The NES was helmed by Mario, but sold over 90 million consoles because it had third party as well. The mass majority of games are third party within a any leading consoles library. The Wii U was the only variable.

You were the one who started arguing :P

I just don't like how you place so much emphasis on third party support when it historically isn't what made or broke a console. I mean, it helps a lot, but it's not the end all be all.

Sega made sure that the Megadrive got a lot of games and became competitive though first party efforts, for example.

Fine...subtract third party from Nintendo. Oh wait...it already happened and Nintendo without a clever gimmick cant get over 35 million since the N64 era. Nintendo fans have grown to live without third party or get their third party from another console. Nintendo's first and second generation 90 to 60 million consoles with third party. Without it they've only sold between 20M+ to 34 M consoles. That is a drastic difference. Sega took two Nintendo generations with one console to even remotely reach 40+ Million consoles sold. Why? It took a while for third party to get to Sega because nintendo had so much control.

You forget that Nintendo's own software on N64 and GC wasn't as strong as on the NES and SNES. And dismissing the Wii as just a "clever gimmick" is unfair and misleading.

Third party clearly isn't everything. Is that really the point you're trying to drive through?

Let me put it this way. If nintendo had third party, they would sell more than they have right now. Sony proved this point when they dominated the industry, and Microsoft threw this point further in our faces when they halved Sony's marketshare.

Fine...subtract third party from Nintendo. Oh wait...it already happened and Nintendo without a clever gimmick cant get over 35 million since the N64 era. Nintendo fans have grown to live without third party or get their third party from another console. Nintendo's first and second generation 90 to 60 million consoles with third party. Without it they've only sold between 20M+ to 34 M consoles. That is a drastic difference. Sega took two Nintendo generations with one console to even remotely reach 40+ Million consoles sold. Why? It took a while for third party to get to Sega because nintendo had so much control.

So many people claim XBO can do 60m+ in their predictions, I really don't see that, and here is why

Not enough exclusives, if I want third party games I will buy them on Steam or get a PS4

For the same price as a PS4, I am gonna PS4 for better graphics and Sony Exclusives

I do see Halo 5 being a big seller but I have no interest in the Master Chief Collection as I still have my orignal Xbox with Halo 1 and 2

Also the gap is inceasing between Wii U and XBO

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251701/xbox-one-vs-wii-uvgchartz-gap-chartsjune-2014-update/

I don't think the XBO will bomb, I say it can do 35m+ but I don't see it doing 60m