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Because the Industry want a MS/Sony-only world when it comes to consoles. So even though it should be soundly outsold by the Wii U, the industry will give it an unfair advantage.



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Ka-pi96 said:
KungKras said:
Because the Industry want a MS/Sony-only world when it comes to consoles. So even though it should be soundly outsold by the Wii U, the industry will give it an unfair advantage.


Why is that exactly?

Nintendo's first party games should beat Microsoft's first party games. And since their sales are nearly equal, in a fair world, third party support should be equal.

Which means, if the world was ideal, Wii U would beat the Xbone.



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To OP: I don´t care if X1 hits 30, or a 100M. I have faith in MS´s ability to bring me the games I like best, shouldn´t that be enough?



Ka-pi96 said:
KungKras said:

Nintendo's first party games should beat Microsoft's first party games. And since their sales are nearly equal, in a fair world, third party support should be equal.

Which means, if the world was ideal, Wii U would beat the Xbone.


Maybe in your view but not everyones. Besides that there are other features that define a console than just which games it gets.

Sales are not a point of view.

And consoles ARE their libraries. Unless hardware is ridiculously gimped like the Virtual boy.



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S.Peelman said:
A lot of people's judgements are clouded.

The only reason the PS4 looks good and the XBox One semi-good is because both companies were smart enough to play on last year's hype and managed to pump millions of units onto the shelves for a big launch. Right now though, the sales of this gen are pretty bad and are laughed at by the sales of the 7th gen from the same respective point in time. If the PS3 was considered 'bad' last gen, WiiU and XBox One are outright attrocious and even PS4 isn't exactly spectacular.

Meanwhile XBox One still isn't getting any closer to WiiU and for now there's little reason to believe it will anytime soon. As long as this doesn't happen, XBox One isn't getting to any number WiiU won't and saying it will reach 60m means you're also saying WiiU has at least an equel chance of doing the same. Same can be said about the PS4's chances to catch 3DS.

 

DS 462,676 (+2%) 46,839,906
Wii 300,138 (+17%) 9,601,716
PSP 179,589 (-2%) 24,594,180
PS3 96,978 (+52%) 3,981,453
X360 66,675 (-5%) 10,528,168

 

14th July 2007, same week (at least the closes it can be). PS4 is ahead of PS3 and X360, X1 close to 360 numbers. The only guy selling more is the Wii, but it's a well know fact that it was frontloaded and lost steam around 2012 (and this was Dragon Quest launch week). If we look at LTD sales, PS4 would be close to the Wii (with the difference that PS4 most likely will have better legs) and would be almost catching up the 360 that had an extra year in the market. Both X1 and PS4 would be ahead of PS3 easily. We had a lot of sales at day 1, but we can't simply forgot the impact they have at weekly sales.

PS3 and 360 were supply constrained, so a lot of people had to wait for one to become available before buying it. PS4 and X1 had an imprecedent initial stock and even then all units were gone. So a lot of sales that the PS3 and X360 had in the begining were results from a lack of stock. You want a PS3 day one, but you can't have it because it isn't available. So you grab one some weeks/months later. It's visible on this data: the PS3 outsells the X1 because it was closer to launch, but we all know that X360 dominated the first years easily and built a gap that only started to decrease with the PS3 slim model. This was less pronounced on PS4 and X1 because they were capable of delivering a lot of units day 1. You can't just ignore the impact that lack of stock can have on spreading sales that should be day 1 to several weeks/months because of availability.

I would say that portables this gen are laughable, but that's because smartphones really replace a lot of the things they do. They won't be gone anytime soon, but won't sell like before from now on.



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Yea, I thought it would do ~60M-65M based off the launch sales. Now, I'm not so certain. I'm thinking 35M-45M.

The One is completely dead outside of the US and the UK, and its not selling so hot in those regions, anyway. The PS4 is just the hot console this gen, mainly because of power (therefore better looking/performing games), Sony's record on 1st party support, and better PR. The only thing MS can do to even slow down the momentum at this point is to drop the price another $100, to $299, and to release Gears and Halo 5 THIS year. Of course, that's not going to happen.

In fact, if anything, MS may just pull out of the console business altogether. The new CEO definitely doesn't see it as a necessity, trying to distance MS from the Xbox division with recent statements. He's closed down Xbox Entertainment Studios and is firing a bunch of Xbox division employees. Bill Gates gave his go ahead not too long ago to spin-off/sell the Xbox division, if the CEO wanted to. And investors want MS to stop focusing on HW and focus on where they are slipping in SW. I think we aren't going to see that much moneyhatting from MS in 2015 and onward, like some Xbox fans were/are hoping for.



torok said:

I see you prediction on the sig. Why the PS4 will do worse than the PS3? Why a record selling console will fail to beat a troubled predecessor that was launched at US$ 600 and made mistakes from 2007-2010 non-stop? Why the X1 will only outsell the Wii U by 5M when it simply crushed the 1 year advantage and it's close to passing it right now? Why the Wii U will sell 35M when it is tracking behind the GC that only did 21M? Unfortunately, these predictions aren't making any kind of sense.

 


PS3 took a long time but most of it's sales came from the second half of it's life, also XBO is no where near outselling Wii U, the gap is actually getting bigger which I stated above in the link, it doesn't matter if Wii U is tracking behind the GC right now, but really what happens in the long run, back in 2011 everyone was writting off the 3DS as a flop but now look at it, I think with Amiibos+Smash+2015 Releases+Price Drop Wii U has a good chance at doing 35m. That is pretty much exactly what Nintendo did to save the 3DS



I can get having faith in it, thinking it will beat Wii U, and even catch up to PS4 eventually, I mean in its position it really doesn't look like it but it hasn't even been out a year so who knows, but what I REALLY dun get whats with the people who think it's gonna catch and pass the Wii U in September-October, I mean if the next week of sales Wii U suddenly dropped back to 30k and XboxOne stayed at 60k til Destiny that'd only be about a 240k catch up. And then even if Destiny and Sunset Overdrive made the gap between the Xbox One and Wii U the same as when Titanfall came out and made the Xboxone's base weekly sales at like 100k after taking a week to slowly drop there, and Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2 only increased Wii U sales by 10k for a single week each that'd still leave a 0.61M gap at the beginning of November, and thats rounding the from now to Destiny catch up to 300k. Not saying it cant catch the Wii U (Although I personally dun think it will this year[if at all]) but It seems impossible to do in 2-3 months



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PS3 took a long time but most of it's sales came from the second half of it's life, also XBO is no where near outselling Wii U, the gap is actually getting bigger which I stated above in the link, it doesn't matter if Wii U is tracking behind the GC right now, but really what happens in the long run, back in 2011 everyone was writting off the 3DS as a flop but now look at it, I think with Amiibos+Smash+2015 Releases+Price Drop Wii U has a good chance at doing 35m. That is pretty much exactly what Nintendo did to save the 3DS


X1 won't outsell the Wii U with current numbers. But it has a much healthier future because of the huge ammount of blockbuster with millions in advertising. Destiny is on it and it's a franchise that already started with US$ 500M of avaiable budget to make the game, its sequels and advertise it as the best thing since sliced bread. GTA V had a US$ 200M budget and is coming to X1.

3DS isn't a flop, but it isn't a DS. And its competition is the Vita, that is expensive and isn't a very competitive console outside of Japan. Wii U has to deal with two strong competitors. PS4 is ahead because Sony commited few mistakes while X1 and Wii U were full of severe mistakes. From these two, X1 was wrong only in pricing and some hardware design issues that made a slight expensive console with less power tha it could have. Wii U was wrong in power by a lot, in 3rd party relations, controller, advertising and a lot of things. In console wars, the one that isn't mistake prone gets the crown.

I'm not saying Wii U couldn't make 35M. Of course, it would need a highly unlikely PS3-like comeback. But saying it will be at 5M from X1 and almost half of PS4 doesn't makes sense. It's basically saying that with all the terrible things they did they still will do better than N64 and GC when compared with their competitor. Price drop? N64 and GC had it. Smash bros? Check. Nintendo games? A lot of them, more than the Wii U. Nothing of this things saved them of being crushed by the competions and they had power advantages and better 3rd party support to help them.



torok said:
ExplodingBlock said:

 


PS3 took a long time but most of it's sales came from the second half of it's life, also XBO is no where near outselling Wii U, the gap is actually getting bigger which I stated above in the link, it doesn't matter if Wii U is tracking behind the GC right now, but really what happens in the long run, back in 2011 everyone was writting off the 3DS as a flop but now look at it, I think with Amiibos+Smash+2015 Releases+Price Drop Wii U has a good chance at doing 35m. That is pretty much exactly what Nintendo did to save the 3DS


X1 won't outsell the Wii U with current numbers. But it has a much healthier future because of the huge ammount of blockbuster with millions in advertising. Destiny is on it and it's a franchise that already started with US$ 500M of avaiable budget to make the game, its sequels and advertise it as the best thing since sliced bread. GTA V had a US$ 200M budget and is coming to X1.

3DS isn't a flop, but it isn't a DS. And its competition is the Vita, that is expensive and isn't a very competitive console outside of Japan. Wii U has to deal with two strong competitors. PS4 is ahead because Sony commited few mistakes while X1 and Wii U were full of severe mistakes. From these two, X1 was wrong only in pricing and some hardware design issues that made a slight expensive console with less power tha it could have. Wii U was wrong in power by a lot, in 3rd party relations, controller, advertising and a lot of things. In console wars, the one that isn't mistake prone gets the crown.

I'm not saying Wii U couldn't make 35M. Of course, it would need a highly unlikely PS3-like comeback. But saying it will be at 5M from X1 and almost half of PS4 doesn't makes sense. It's basically saying that with all the terrible things they did they still will do better than N64 and GC when compared with their competitor. Price drop? N64 and GC had it. Smash bros? Check. Nintendo games? A lot of them, more than the Wii U. Nothing of this things saved them of being crushed by the competions and they had power advantages and better 3rd party support to help them.

Power really doesn't matter, GC was one of the most powerful consoles of it's time so was N64 but look how they sold

Look how the Wii sold

Also XBO won't even come near PS4 sales