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PattonFiend said:
dyremose said:
The palestinians have fired missiles into israel for years and years. I dont think israel is in the wrong here. What it basically boils down to is that one of the two sides will kill innocent civilians. Israel just happens to be vastly superior to the palestinians. Lets not forget that almost all of of the middle east has at some point attacked israel because they dont recognise them as a legitimate state. Every time israel has fought them back and afterwards these countries cry out to the world of how awfull israel is. This is nothing new and if these people would just stop being agressors i am sure israel wouldnt have to retaliate.. It is like a thief breaking into a home then gets wounded in a fight with the owner and then afterwards sues the owner. Im getting sick of this.


They do not get recognized as a legitimate state because their LAND IS STOLEN. Bahahaha... Is it really that difficult to understand why everyone in the Middle East despises them?


Which country stole their land? I'm trying to understand this conflict



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This shit is legitimately terrifying. As an Israeli-Arab, I'm caught right in the middle of all of this ):



All the Islamic states surrounding Israel want Israel dead. Plain and simple. Israel is defending its right to exist. This has been going since the days the country was originally founded. And don't try to play the "Palestineans were there first". There is archeological evidence, that dates back thousands of years, that proves that that was the Jews' holy land with virtually zero evidence of a Palestine. It's their land, and they have every right to do what they must to defend it and protect their civilians when they're threatened by terrorist.



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Ashadian said:
Israel hasn't shown one bit of evidence that the 3 Israeli teenagers were murdered by Palestinians or Hamas.
Do you actually believe that Hamas fire 1500+ rockets at Israel every day? If that's the case where are these terrifying and deadly rockets manufactured? Israel control land, sea and air. Nothing gets in or out without them knowing about it. Gaza is like an open air prison.

Came here to point this out. It is also mandatory to keep in mind that Israel has stolen their land, and kept on growing. They're the true tooth decay in the middle east region, the agent of US in there.

Their irrelevant reason of fighting back is just a pretext to eradicate and exterminate an entire race.



I desperately wish this fighting would stop as well, but Israel essentially stole the land of the natives and oppressed them. These actions can only be tolerated so far before the native people whose homes were forcefully taken from them actually fight back. I mean would any of us sit around if someone just barged right in to throw us out of our homes and destroy our livelihood/family?



 

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PattonFiend said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Wasn't Gaza firing hundreds of rockets at Israel before they (Israel) decided to invade? I mean a country can only tolerate so much before they attack back. I mean if Mexico started firing rockets into the United States then us attacking them would be justified in my opinion. Civilian casualties happen in any conflict, hard to avoid in a place like Gaza where the terrorists are mixed in with the civilian population.

But eh that's just my opinion anyway.


Can only tolerate so much?

You realize that after World War II, Palestine had their land STOLEN from them and given to Israel, right?

You do understand that is why this is all happening still, all of these decades later, right?

Israel deserves everything they get. You kill Jesus, this is what happens; a life of turmoil for all generations of Israel.


Had to log back in for this.

You see things from a funny point of view.

If you want to look at things as they are you have to look at World War I and post world war I. The owners of that land were the Ottoman Empire. The empire declared war on the democracies and lost.

Now, i will tell you that winning nations are not usually as generous as the allies as they still let turkey (post ottoman empire) retain a good chunk of its territory. Most of the middle east was essentially under Britain control though. This notion that the land belongs to someone is always very amusing. Does it belong to someone cause they won it by war? Because you know thats what the Ottomans did in the first place. So, how can the allies have any less claim to it?

Anyways, the "owners" of the land were no longer them. Britain decided to give the Jews a state where they could live in after beeing prosecuted by the Nazi regime in a shocking manner.

The way i see this, Arabs just got annoyed by it when they had no claim whatsoever to it. The Ottoman empire lost. The lands were no longer under their control. What part of this is stolen? There is a clear duality of criteria you are using.

 

As for the "killed jesus" thing i'm not even gonna adress. There is nothing i dislike more than killing in the name of a deity no one can say exists with full certainty. People are human and are alive. Do not kill for gods, they dont need you to. They are gods afterall. If they wanna do some killing, they have plenty of power to do it themselves. If you wanna kill someone own up that you are doing it because of yourself, and not some god.



bubblegamer said:
dyremose said:
PattonFiend said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Wasn't Gaza firing hundreds of rockets at Israel before they (Israel) decided to invade? I mean a country can only tolerate so much before they attack back. I mean if Mexico started firing rockets into the United States then us attacking them would be justified in my opinion. Civilian casualties happen in any conflict, hard to avoid in a place like Gaza where the terrorists are mixed in with the civilian population.

But eh that's just my opinion anyway.


Can only tolerate so much?

You realize that after World War II, Palestine had their land STOLEN from them and given to Israel, right?

You do understand that is why this is all happening still, all of these decades later, right?

Israel deserves everything they get. You kill Jesus, this is what happens; a life of turmoil for all generations of Israel.

Israel offered to give back the majority of the land given to them by other nations.  The palestinians declined and said they wanted it all. 

And why not? It's their land. Israel didn't even exist 80 years ago. That tells you enough about who stole what.

That is a ridiculous argument, Jews and Israel existed there long before Palestine. Over thousands of years that region has been Jewish, Muslim and even Christian based, if anything the Israelis claim on the land is as much right if not more so than any other. I am not sure there will ever be peace there though as the hatred on both sides (sadly especially on the Hamas side) is far more important to them than the health and well being of there people.



dyremose said:
The palestinians have fired missiles into israel for years and years. I dont think israel is in the wrong here. What it basically boils down to is that one of the two sides will kill innocent civilians. Israel just happens to be vastly superior to the palestinians. Lets not forget that almost all of of the middle east has at some point attacked israel because they dont recognise them as a legitimate state. Every time israel has fought them back and afterwards these countries cry out to the world of how awfull israel is. This is nothing new and if these people would just stop being agressors i am sure israel wouldnt have to retaliate.. It is like a thief breaking into a home then gets wounded in a fight with the owner and then afterwards sues the owner. Im getting sick of this.


Do you even know the truth? Or do you believe the israeli/USA made up truth. Please try to do some independent research before making statements. The fact of the matter is a set of people were given land by a second set of people but that land belonged to a third set of people! This is where the problem stems from!

The other problem is people are led to believe this is a fair conflict between 2 sides when in fact it's a super powerful state vs a civilian population. Gaza has no army, navy or airforce. Just the civilians trying to resist the occupation and from their land being stolen!

If anyone has any doubt and wants a proper unbiased opinion of this conflict I can put links up?

Here are some YouTube videos from actual Jews who have no reason to support Palestine. 

THE GENERAL'S SON: http://youtu.be/c4ZfnpN4Dfc

 

The Best of Norman Finkelstein: http://youtu.be/HZBZX4ZxPjA

Even Anonymous have targeted israel!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9687439/Gaza-conflict-Anonymous-hackers-target-Israel.html



anyone who know history , can answer this easily ,
as a summary , after WW , Brithish "offered" a land to jews like it was there own land , and guess what...... this land what already the proprety of other people :the Palestenians and since then by the law of force , a country has been invaded , and with the use of a far superior technologie , many innocents are dead and they keep dying to this day .



bubblegamer said:
dyremose said:

Israel offered to give back the majority of the land given to them by other nations.  The palestinians declined and said they wanted it all. 

And why not? It's their land. Israel didn't even exist 80 years ago. That tells you enough about who stole what.

Well its not their land anymore. If they want to go to war over it instead of finding a peaceful solution, well they don't deserve our pity.

Look at the US, Native Americans, and Mexico. We rarely blow each other up over land.



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