lol @ not liking the thread topic. Whatever you need to tell yourself. A big piece of his logic pie regarding PS4's supposed lack of games is that Sony apparently offers much more support for their consoles after the successors are out, while Nintendo and MS do not. As an Xbox 360 and PS3 owner, I know this statement to be 100% pure BS, so I called him out on it. Because the rest of point #1 is pretty much all subjective.

Yeah, it is grasping at straws. But that's ok, nothing tickles my funny bone in a discussion like straw grasping, and goal post shifting. Is there anything that can make a person better feel like they presented the superior argument than someone having to so drastically alter the rules in order to present what they deem to be an acceptable retort?

Look at this for example. You're actually downplaying support for a console because it's cross platform. Somehow that makes them "not really incentives for either console", which is a load of crap. And besides the point anyway. Whether you think the games are appealing, or an incentive for the console owners, doesn't change the fact that MS either internally developed or published the games on the platform. Providing support. It's not rocket science.

Your dismissive attitude towards those games MS actually had a big hand in bringing to 360 is made a million times more hilarious/sad when you later are here giving Sony credit for games they had nothing to do with, based on nothing more than sheer speculation that "hey, sony probably maybe paid for this exclusive release guys!1!". LOL. If speculation on paying for an exclusive factor qualifies for support then I could easily add games like Titanfall, Peggle 2, PvZ, etc to my list of MS support. I mean, hey, they paid to make them timed exclusive = support.

Are you done reaching? I hope not. I want this to be like Inception. I wanna see a reach within a reach within a reach. I mean hey I am sure at some point Sony had to supply EA some PS3 dev kits, right? Hey that means Sony supported Battlefield 4 on PS3! And next month without Sony's support, PS3 wouldn't see Madden 15! Oh man no wonder some people here shift goal posts and reach so much, bickering is so much easier when you can just pull whatever you want out of your butt.

Of course, even after all of this, all we are left with is a situation where the OP is still incorrect. You can reach and speculate and make up new rules for supporting a console and provide me a list of 300 PS3 games, it won't change the fact that MS has still supported the 360 very well after November's Xbone launch, or that Nintendo provided the Wii with a huge Zelda title. Hope that helps.

Where did I say his entire thread should be called something else? I am talking about the part I quoted from him. "nintendo and MS don't support their console after their successors are out". That can just be called something "Things people say and decide to forget when talking bad about Nintendo and MS." Are you understanding now? Ok, good. LOL.

This is all a wonderful story and all, but why am I supposed to care? In your little story, why did you not care to try any of those Xbone games? Is it because they don't appeal to you? If so, then why would you bother to try them? You'd be just in claiming Xbone has no games. Of course, I would put it in a better form, such as "Xbone has no games I would play", kind of like I do with PS4. But again, irrelevant. I was merely explaining to the OP that he kind of answered his own problem with the moniker. I hope that helps both of you.

And I am not going to bother replying to you again on this matter as I have already made my point and don't feel like a petty back and forth about how vital Sony's support has been for Call of Duty AW on PS3 this year, or whatever hilarious reach you intended to make next.

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I genuinely don't care about the PS4 and that's it. I know it has some good games.

Unless you are looking equally into the fault of all fan bases, it's pretty pointless to single out Ninty fans for some kind of hate on TLOU or really much else. I wasn't even aware that was some kind of issue tbh.

@LudicrousSpeed

#1 you clearly don't like the topic, at hand. "A big piece of his logic pie"....but that was one statement, out of "PS4 has games, Sony supports consoles after the successor, MS/Ninty don't support as much, the gap isn't closing since PS4 continues to outsell (despite MK8 and price cut giving boosts), PS4 has a 2M lead and it's growing". Out of all of the OP, a 20-word sentence was "a big piece of his logic pie"? Ok. I mean, he doesn't even say the PS4 has a "lack of supposed games", so you pulled that out of thin air.

#2 I acknowledged it was grasping at straws, but I also said I was thinking in the practical sense. But again, you went on the fritz about a tiny detail. All I said was that, their support was going toward the XBone, and then giving the 360 the scraps.

#3 Are we disagreeing on this point? When I talked about XBone games, I brought up Titanfall, Plants vs Zombies, etc. because it was MS money that made them exclusive/timed exclusive and that does equal support. But I like how you used the term "reach" so many times. I guess that really stung you when you realized what you were doing when you replied to the OP. Now, a legitimate question: has 3rd party exclusivity returned to being free? No? Well, if you pay for games to only be on your platform, I believe that is support. You can disagree all you want, but insuring that certain experiences are only available on your platform is support, whether you developed the game or not.

#4 "Things people say....." (the thread topic) was talking about the 3 points he made. You call out one detail within only 1 point he made and say it should really be called "Things people say when talking bad about Nintendo and MS". That 1 point wasn't the only thing he talked about, but the way you responded made it seem like the whole thread should be renamed.

#5 All of that was irrelevant. You merely said "Of course that's what they mean when they say no games" responding to "games that YOU don't like, or decided not to try out". You would put it in better form and say "XBone has no games I want to play"....but you just agreed that "no games = game YOU don't like"?  Sounds a lot like "no games = Xbone has no games I want to play", which is precisely the analogy I was making. But even that is irrelevant because despite whatever preference you have, "no games" makes no sense when you have multiple critically acclaimed, really popular games, on any platform. Whether I like Halo or not, the moment it drops, it counts as "games". Same with Uncharted or Smash Brothers. Otherwise, like I said, entire libraries could be discredited, despite general consensus.

Man, so many "LOLs", exclamation points, emphasis, non-sequitur examples, and use of the word "reach". I must have struck a chord. But you know what they say: you try and flip the truth when it hurts. Like when an anti-gay protestor holds up a Bible, and someone says "hey, doesn't the Bible say 'don't judge'" and the protestor says "hey, you're judging me!". He says that because he's being called out on his nonsense and he tries to flip it to ignore what he's been called out for in the first place. Kinda like you. You really are passionately trying to find something to disagree about.

I am more of a Microsoft fan but I really don't get the arguments either.

I think a very important factor to remember to is that most people aren't willing to shell out £350 for a brand new console. Once the price drops to the £200-250 territory, that is when we will really see who the winners are.

I agree with your points. To add onto the first point, look no further than PS4's August lineup (look up in GribbleGrunger's thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=187082&page=1# ) and tell me if PS4 has "no games". That's 10 games (or 11 for you Europeans since you guys get TLOU: R at the beginning of August).

For the 2nd point, just compare PS3's first June to PS4's first June. The PS3 didn't even crack 100k while the PS4 did it with ease. In fact, it sold nearly 3x as its predecessor. Doesn't look like it's losing steam at all and again, it's getting quite a few games next month.

For the 3rd point, well.... I'm also a Nintendo gamer, so I want the Wii U to be successful, too.

LudicrousSpeed haven't change a strip when changing from J_Allard. Always using his "own ps3" as a free card to take digs against sony/ps. Once I called him out he came with ad-hominem, exageration and obfuscation. It must really hurt him to play on Ps3, Just not as much as saying anything positive about sony/ps. And always trying to soundsuperior but really rude and unpolite. After he says all the shit he just run away because he already proved his bulletproof point and it makes no sense to continue (well because he would lose).
Have anyoneever seen he conceding a point, being polite and reasonable to someone who strongly disagree,provide real points and argue it out? And most of all saying good things about sony besides"all Sony games are bad (or ms have a better equivalent), the only game I enjoy from them is GoW"?

No games doesn't mean "no games."  The system has almost no exclusives compared to any other console on the market.  I can play any retail game on the PS4 except for three right now on my PS3, five until 2015 once Drive Club and The Crew release later this year. 

Well if you go this route then X1 have 1 extra game right? And WiiU would have various exclusives, but all multiplats would be exclusives counted for the other systems against it... so in the end the 3 platforms would have no game.

People just like to make excuses (mostly poor ones) about why a console is crap, especially when its quite easily beating their console of choice. Which makes the losing momentum and "only" 2M lead arguments a joke. If it was nearing the end of the gen the 2M lead wouldn't be much, but it has amassed this lead in less than 8 months, versus a console that launched over a year and a half ago. That's incredible. Just imagine what the gap will look like when this time next year. And apparently the PS4 has games, cause they are usually outselling their One counterparts 2:1.

"Next Topic: Nintendo Fans, Hate, and TLOU."

If you don't quote me in this one I'll be disappointed.