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Aura7541 on 20 July 2014
MikeRox said:
tinfamous12 said:
They DEFINITELY won last gen. Especially considering 360 is still outselling both Nintendo and Sonys last gen consoles to this day (according to NPD). Plus 360 killed in software sales as well.


This is where Microsofts big problem at ever outright winning a gen lies. If the US (and UK) had been a reflection of the global market, 360 would have dominated but MS are really struggling to gain traction in other EU territories and especially Japan.

Without a global appeal it's very difficult to outright win a generation. They did a bloody good job with the 360 though.

The other problem I had with MS last gen is that they had the perfect opportunity to put their foot on Sony's throat and made the outcome of last gen definitive. However, they got really complacent and allowed Sony to slip past. The 1st-half MS did really well, but the 2nd-half MS had me scratching my head. All of a sudden, MS abandoned the core in favor of Kinect while Sony keeps churning out exclusive after exclusive. While the Kinect did well commercially, it was only a temporary solution. It didn't do well in terms of lasting appeal and reputation as proven by X1 sales and MS's removal of the new Kinect.



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Aura7541 on 20 July 2014
Legend11 said:

Microsoft has won every generation.... 

Windows + Xbox has more exclusives, more sales and makes more money than Sony and Nintendo combined.  it's not even close to be honest...

Sony deserves a pat on the head for doing well by basically turning PS4 into a stealth Xbox, hell the biggest game for it this year is from the guys that used to make Halo, let that one sink in for a moment. 

I'm happy for them though, after the beating they took with Vita, TVs, tablets, mp3 players, movies, etc, it's nice to see them have a hit.

Actually, the winner for more exclusives is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo with a slight edge to Nintendo. MS is still losing money overall with the Xbox brand and who knows how much the X1 has cost them, especially after they closed MS Entertainment Studios and released a Kinectless SKU. The only company that has been making money overall is Nintendo. Sony would be up there, too, had the PS3 not costed them dearly.



mochachino on 20 July 2014

I think the better question is will MS ever not blow a generation win.

They could have had last gen but RROD and asshole policies turned millions to PS3 owners.

This gen they would have had in the bag if they launched at $400 with all the manufacturing costs being put towards power. If xone launched as just slightly more powerful than PS4 but at the same price, MS would have this gen.

Even if it launched at $500 with all the manufacturing cost being put towards power to make it significantly more powerful than PS4 it would have won.

Most people I know just wanted the most powerful next-gen console, as most peoples' favourite games are multiplat shooters and sports games. They lucked out when PS4 came out as the most powerful and $100 cheaper.



Legend11 on 20 July 2014
Aura7541 said:
Legend11 said:

Microsoft has won every generation.... 

Windows + Xbox has more exclusives, more sales and makes more money than Sony and Nintendo combined.  it's not even close to be honest...

Sony deserves a pat on the head for doing well by basically turning PS4 into a stealth Xbox, hell the biggest game for it this year is from the guys that used to make Halo, let that one sink in for a moment. 

I'm happy for them though, after the beating they took with Vita, TVs, tablets, mp3 players, movies, etc, it's nice to see them have a hit.

Actually, the winner for more exclusives is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo with a slight edge to Nintendo. MS is still losing money overall with the Xbox brand and who knows how much the X1 has cost them, especially after they closed MS Entertainment Studios and released a Kinectless SKU. The only company that has been making money overall is Nintendo. Sony would be up there, too, had the PS3 not costed them dearly.

Just counting Windows exclusives alone there are more than Sony and Nintendo combined.



Aura7541 on 20 July 2014
Legend11 said:
Aura7541 said:

Actually, the winner for more exclusives is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo with a slight edge to Nintendo. MS is still losing money overall with the Xbox brand and who knows how much the X1 has cost them, especially after they closed MS Entertainment Studios and released a Kinectless SKU. The only company that has been making money overall is Nintendo. Sony would be up there, too, had the PS3 not costed them dearly.

Just counting Windows exclusives alone there are more than Sony and Nintendo combined.

Like what? I'm all ears.

Also, PC is a different matter since their "generations" are really fuzzy. When we talk about generations, we usually refer to console generations. And think about this... If Windows have so many more exclusives than Sony and Nintndo combined, why even start Xbox in the first place? Would've saved MS a LOT of money and MS would've made a lot more profit.



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Blood_Tears on 20 July 2014

I think I have heard it all now. It's a sad day on these forums when people move goal posts by combining PC games and Xbox games. I thought the Xbox family NPD spin was bad but this takes the cake.



LudicrousSpeed on 20 July 2014
Puppyroach said:
Aura7541 said:

That's funny because I don't recall Sony ever resorting moneyhatting tactics, buying timed exclusives, timed exclusive DLC, and forcing parity. So yeah... reading comprehension FTL, indeed.

So you believe GTA and Final Fantasy were exclusive to the PS2 out of the good heart from the developers? EA didn´t make any sports games for Dreamcast so SEGA had to create their own sporting division. Do you seriously think EA would have skipped SEGA without some money being transferred? The most recent example is Destiny, or do you believe Activision just felt that PS4 owners should have all DLC a year before X1 owners?

Now, don´t get me wrong, they did the right thing and it basically bought them the 6th gen togethter with the DVD capabilities in the PS2. But you must realise this is done in this industry by all parties. Nintendo did it when they dominated, Sony did it when they were the leader and MS did it last gen.

And where has this "forced parity" come from? I have never seen any evidence of that but I guess you have some?

Don't forget that just last gen Sony had a clause stipulating that late ports to PS3 had to have extra content. Also, AFAIK they still have their clause that Vita games must see a PS3 or PS4 release prior to Vita. These are also on a case by case basis, but people always act as if MS has a 100% refusal rate with this clause, when I honestly cannot think of a single game they have denied release to.

Lastly, we should all thank Ubisoft for their free Playstation marketing and exclusive DLC with Ass Creed, because clearly Sony didn't pay a dime for it. Or all that Watch Dogs marketing and content. And I am sure Activision is providing exclusive alpha access, extra beta access, exclusive content, and timed exclusive content inside of DLC to Playstation platforms for Destiny simply out of the kindness of their hearts. EA hates money, so they gave PS owners timed exclusive DLC on Battlefield and a free copy of Medal of Honor Frontline HD.

Could go on and on here but I am getting tears thinking of the kindness.



DerNebel on 20 July 2014
Legend11 said:
Aura7541 said:

Actually, the winner for more exclusives is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo with a slight edge to Nintendo. MS is still losing money overall with the Xbox brand and who knows how much the X1 has cost them, especially after they closed MS Entertainment Studios and released a Kinectless SKU. The only company that has been making money overall is Nintendo. Sony would be up there, too, had the PS3 not costed them dearly.

Just counting Windows exclusives alone there are more than Sony and Nintendo combined.

Great and exactly how much money does MS get from every Windows exclusive being sold?



Aura7541 on 20 July 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:

GTA was paid for by Sony to be kept exclusive for the trilogy of games (until the trilogy was complete. Aka "Timed exclusivity") that came out during the PS2 generation. Final Fantasy was a Japanese and target market affair. Sony didn't need to pay for FF exclusivity because they swallowed the lionshare of the market and also expanded the size of it to greater heights than any other generation before.

EA didn't make sports games for the dreamcast in the genesis era because of Nintendo swallowing up marketshare and keeping third party to themselves. (opposite of Sony, devs actually ran to them) Nintendo held them and they listened because they had the lionshare of the market during their reign. They had nowhere to run until Sony joined the industry. Sega was forced to create Joe Montana and other Sega brand sports games games because no one could take the risk on Sega with Nintendo around. During the Dreamcast era 2kSports had their games on the Dreamcast. Sony's entrance into the industry loosened Nintendos grip on third parties because they didnt have to fear for making profit elsewhere. Whatever Sega screwed up with the Saturn, they screwed up for themselves and those devs ran back to Sony.

Forced parity is apart of the Microsoft contract with third parties. They have the right to deny a third party if a game loses 100% parity with Sony. Sony works the opposite. If they do not have parity with Microsoft or Nintendo they demand the extra content be included in their game for their consumers. We saw this alot after Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden 2, Madd Effect and many other games. Sony gamers got all the DLC bundled in a lot of the games MS paid to keep away from them. 

Thanks, STAGE. I'm glad that somebody actually gets it. I mean 150M PS2's vs 25M Xboxes. Why GTA and FF were exclusive to the PS2 during that gen is obvious as heck. MS's parity clause with 3rd parties was also obvious.



Legend11 on 20 July 2014
Aura7541 said:
Legend11 said:
Aura7541 said:

Actually, the winner for more exclusives is a toss-up between Sony and Nintendo with a slight edge to Nintendo. MS is still losing money overall with the Xbox brand and who knows how much the X1 has cost them, especially after they closed MS Entertainment Studios and released a Kinectless SKU. The only company that has been making money overall is Nintendo. Sony would be up there, too, had the PS3 not costed them dearly.

Just counting Windows exclusives alone there are more than Sony and Nintendo combined.

Like what? I'm all ears.

Also, PC is a different matter since their "generations" are really fuzzy. When we talk about generations, we usually refer to console generations. And think about this... If Windows have so many more exclusives than Sony and Nintndo combined, why even start Xbox in the first place? Would've saved MS a LOT of money and MS would've made a lot more profit.

From last year as an example...  As for why did they start Xbox well they wanted to hedge their bets.