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fighter on 19 July 2014
mai said:
fighter said:

rebels and russians preventing access to the experts

May I have a quote from an expert who wasn't allowed to the site? Who is this expert btw? I don't know who is Max Seddon and what his deal with all this.

 

I see plenty of journalists and OSCE officer talking to some MVD official on the site.

what OSCE expert ? show me where in the video 

 

i haven't seen any reports of journalists being blocked 

OSCE will of course have an official declaration to make soon

Journalists, as you say, are on spot.



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MoHasanie on 19 July 2014
fighter said:

rebels and russians preventing access to the experts

 

How do you know they are preventing access? Maybe they don't want anybody to take any of the evidence. 



    

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mai on 19 July 2014
fighter said:

what OSCE expert ? show me where in the video 

The guys in black bulletproof vests I'd guess. They are not experts per se, they are OSCE observers travelling across the zone of conflict gathering info. It's said that ICAO experts are still not on the site.



fighter on 19 July 2014

https://twitter.com/mikeybbq

Chief Spokesman of the OSCE SMM (Special Monitoring Mission)

yesterday he confirmed they had no access

"The reported area of the crash site of #MH17 in eastern Ukraine is controlled by rebels. Not accessible for quite some time by our monitors"



fighter on 19 July 2014
mai said:
fighter said:

what OSCE expert ? show me where in the video 

The guys in black bulletproof vests I'd guess. They are not experts per se, they are OSCE observers travelling across the zone of conflict gathering info. It's said that ICAO experts are still not on the site.


what second ?



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fighter on 19 July 2014
MoHasanie said:
fighter said:

rebels and russians preventing access to the experts

 

How do you know they are preventing access? Maybe they don't want anybody to take any of the evidence. 

This picture is confirmed by a journalist on spot :

https://twitter.com/maxseddon

Confirms statements of the OSCE spokesperson :

https://twitter.com/mikeybbq



MoHasanie on 19 July 2014
fighter said:
MoHasanie said:
fighter said:

rebels and russians preventing access to the experts

 

How do you know they are preventing access? Maybe they don't want anybody to take any of the evidence. 

This picture is confirmed by a journalist on spot :

https://twitter.com/maxseddon

Confirms statements of the OSCE spokesperson :

https://twitter.com/mikeybbq

hmm that's odd. An aviation expert said that all they need is for one of the in swab one of the damaged pieces of the aircraft, and they can then test that and find out what type of missile it was. 



    

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mai on 19 July 2014
fighter said:

Confirms statements of the OSCE spokesperson :

https://twitter.com/mikeybbq

So after all not "not allowed", but has been provided "limited access"? And not "ICAO experts", but "OSCE Special Monitoring Mission". As report by the news:

OSCE investigators were given limited access to the crash site overnight but were blocked from going further by armed pro-Russian separatists “for their own” safety.

Instead of being so one-sided and not specific on details, why not hear out the other side?

"International group of experts is on its way to the crash site, they are in Kiev right now... consulting. We expect them tomorrow evening" -- in other words they should arrive on 20.07.



fighter on 19 July 2014
mai said:
fighter said:

Confirms statements of the OSCE spokesperson :

https://twitter.com/mikeybbq

So after all not "not allowed", but has been provided "limited access"? And not "ICAO experts", but "OSCE Special Monitoring Mission". As report by the news:

OSCE investigators were given limited access to the crash site overnight but were blocked from going further by armed pro-Russian separatists “for their own” safety.

Instead of being so one-sided and not specific on details, why not hear out the other side?

"International group of experts is on its way to the crash site, they are in Kiev right now... consulting. We expect them tomorrow evening" -- in other words they should arrive on 20.07.

1. Where is the contradiction ? The SMM spokesperson is stating that on the 17th there was no access, that on the 18th it was very limited.

The journalist whose info I provided confirms how limited the access is 

"Basically, the OSCE are only allowed 30m further than they were yesterday. Grumpy won't let them onto the field where debris and bodies are."

 

2. who would believe a terrorist ?



mai on 20 July 2014
fighter said:

1. Where is the contradiction ? The SMM spokesperson is stating that on the 17th there was no access, that on the 18th it was very limited.

2. who would believe a terrorist ?

1. Short memory, huh?

fighter said:

rebels and russians preventing access to the experts


2. In what terroristic attacks you're acccusing Boroday?