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Games are cheaper, better support, same hot first party titles coming out. Why should people look at the Wii U over the 3DS? Mario Kart and SSB is going to be on both platforms. Nintendo didn't help a thing there, but also ensured high sales for those games at the same time.



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curl-6 said:
KungKras said:
curl-6 said:

The data does support it; 3DS is cheaper, has similar games, and is selling more.

Gameboy was cheaper than the SNES, had similar games, and was selling more.

PSP was cheaper than the PS3, had similar games, and for a while, was selling more.

GB and PSP were different enough. 3DS is too similar, as is Vita to PS3, and when that happens, one of the two gets cannibalized.

But we can see no cannibalization in the data. You can argue the outcome of the similar libraries all you want, but the real outcome is already in the data.



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zorg1000 said:

The data does back it up with tho with the Wii U selling much worse and the sequels selling much worse than the 3DS predeccessors. And yes SNES/GB & DS/Wii did have some similar titles, I was pointing out that despite that they had huge selling points not found on the other whereas almost every big Wii U game has a similar 3DS entry.

That long rant was something I had already planned on writing in this thread, I just figured I would write it there instead of 2 seperate posts.

The Wii U is selling much worse because it repelled all the Wii customers and struggles to get the Gamecube custmers onboard in a severe economic decline. This because it went a crazy direction that didn't expand on anything the Wii had achieved. It is more similar to the Gamecube than the Wii. Only the economy now is much worse, and the industry, like EA have become bold enough to think that they can move in for the kill and freeze out Nintendo completely.

This analysis in consistent with the Wii U selling bad, plus it doesn't require the Wii U taking sales away from the 3DS after the Wii U launch like your position does.



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You made some points but I think the 3DS isn't the WORST enemy. Because with your logic in generation 7 the DS and Wii should have hurt each other, too. But both systems were the best.

So that means we should look for some other reasons. Both Wii U and 3DS sold bad at the beginning but the 3DS managed it to find a lot of fans. For comparison we can say that the 3DS is a better DS and the Wii U is a better Wii. The better DS sells better than the better Wii. And why? Because of the oppurtunities. Vita or 3DS? 3DS because of better games! But the Wii U has not only one weak enemy: it has two of them with the PS4 and the Xbox One and this time the Casual gamers won't help because they are saticsfied.

Of course there are other reasons like the bad advertisement or the misunderstood Gamepad. And I also think you are right when you say that the 3DS is also an enemy but I don't think it is the worst.



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oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:
KungKras said:
zorg1000 said:
KungKras said:
 

You're contradicting yourself.

What is contradicting about that? Im sure u can agree that PS3 & 360 appealed to the same demograhpic, did one drop everytime the other had a boost? Perhaps I just didnt explain well enough.

In previous generations Nintendo handhelds and consoles were very different and had key games to differentiate them. SNES had high end graphics for the time along with popular arcade ports, games like Donkey Kong Country, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Street Fighter II werent on the Gameboy which had ancient hardware but excellent pick up and play games perfect for portables like Tetris and later Pokemon during the N64 era which had the first 3D worlds for popular Nintendo ip and the console FPS crowd on lockdown with Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. GBA had beautiful 2D games while Gamecube was continuing with more advanced 3D games.

Now onto DS/Wii, once again the visual gap was large but more importantly they each had different features and huge casual hits that werent on the other, DS had dual/touch screen controls along with games like Nintendogs & Brain Training while Wii had motion controls and games like Wii Sports & Wii Fit.

That brings us to 3DS/Wii U which have similar features and key software. Both have dual/touch screens and motion controls, both can competently produce 3D worlds and most of the big hitters on Wii U already have installments on 3DS.

3D Land vs 3D World, MK7 vs MK8, DKC Returns vs DKC Tropical Freeze, Ocarina of Time 3D vs Wind Waker HD, NSMB2 vs NSMBU, Smash Bros 3DS vs Smash Bros Wii U. On top of that 3DS also already has Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Yoshi, Mario & Luigi, brand new Zelda along with excellent Japanese 3rd party support like Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Youkai Watch, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil.

Now I would agree that most of those Wii U games are superior to the 3DS installments but with 3DS costing $129-199 and software at $30-40 against Wii U at $299-329 with software costing $50-60 and having a much smaller number of games, is it really worth it for a few superior sequels? For me and some others yes it is but for the majority of people interested in Nintendo products, 3DS gets the job done and they are happy with just it for the time being.

I've already adressed this. The market is limited. Competing products do cannibalize each other's sales (Yes, this happened with 360 and PS3). If they were competing, we'd see it in the data. The GB and SNES libraries are also more similar than you recognise. (Super Mario Land vs Super Mario World, DKC vs DKL, etc)

I'm sorry, but if you have to counter my one phrase by writing an essay, you might want to rethink your reasoning in this debate.

The data does back it up with tho with the Wii U selling much worse and the sequels selling much worse than the 3DS predeccessors. And yes SNES/GB & DS/Wii did have some similar titles, I was pointing out that despite that they had huge selling points not found on the other whereas almost every big Wii U game has a similar 3DS entry.

That long rant was something I had already planned on writing in this thread, I just figured I would write it there instead of 2 seperate posts.

I see what you're saying but is it really fair to compare software sales of 3ds to Wii U? Its not like it was released 2 years earlier? or it has a MUCH bigger install base. I dont think you could draw conclusions from that. What should be compared is the actual system predecessors. Wii vs. Wii U. DS vs. 3DS and what we see is that there is a massive drop in the series numbers across both systems. 

IMHO i think this is just another "reason" to try and justify the low sales of WIi U. There is no justification it might be time to accept that people simply dont think the WIi U is a good system and just enjoy it for however long its availalble.

People dont think things are bad just because they are bad, there is always a reason. People just dont like it is not a legitimate reason, why dont they like it or see it as a worthwhile product? That is the question we are trying to answer.

I believe that a major reason is the hardware features and software is too similar to the much cheaper 3DS which also has many other big titles not available on Wii U. There are other issues as well like price in general, too many droughts in between big software releases and lack of affective advertising.



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KungKras said:

But we can see no cannibalization in the data. You can argue the outcome of the similar libraries all you want, but the real outcome is already in the data.

Cannibalization is in the data; with similar offerings, the cheaper 3DS sells more.



KungKras said:
zorg1000 said:
 

The data does back it up with tho with the Wii U selling much worse and the sequels selling much worse than the 3DS predeccessors. And yes SNES/GB & DS/Wii did have some similar titles, I was pointing out that despite that they had huge selling points not found on the other whereas almost every big Wii U game has a similar 3DS entry.

That long rant was something I had already planned on writing in this thread, I just figured I would write it there instead of 2 seperate posts.

The Wii U is selling much worse because it repelled all the Wii customers and struggles to get the Gamecube custmers onboard in a severe economic decline. This because it went a crazy direction that didn't expand on anything the Wii had achieved. It is more similar to the Gamecube than the Wii. Only the economy now is much worse, and the industry, like EA have become bold enough to think that they can move in for the kill and freeze out Nintendo completely.

This analysis in consistent with the Wii U selling bad, plus it doesn't require the Wii U taking sales away from the 3DS after the Wii U launch like your position does.


Wii U isnt taking sales away from 3DS, not sure what makes u think thats what im saying.



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The only way I'd consider the 3DS the Wii U's worst enemy, would be in that when Nintendo should have been ensuring games like Pikmin hit their deadlines, they diverted all their resources into the 3DS to save that instead.

Now you've got the reverse with the 3DS having much slimmer pickings whilst most of Nintendo's resources are being pumped into the Wii U, however the 3DS was lucky, while Wii U's reputation looks to have been irrevocably damaged to the point where it doesn't matter what Nintendo do now.



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They are definitely losing sales from me. There are lots of games on 3DS that I would love to play, but I do not want to purchase the handheld as I cannot stand playing on a small screen looking down at my hands all day. They can easily resolve this by doing one of the following:
1) Make 3DS games available for purchase on the Virtual Console (and make them available to play on 3DS as well)
2) Create a device similar to the Super Game Boy and let us play 3DS carts on the Wii U.
3) Allow the Wii U tablet to be replaced by the 3DS and let the 3DS play full-screen. (For the next revisions I guess)

Seriously, make it happen! Man I want to play some of those great games. They just need to unify the library and allow cross-buy/play and all that goodness.



Wildcard36qs said:
They are definitely losing sales from me. There are lots of games on 3DS that I would love to play, but I do not want to purchase the handheld as I cannot stand playing on a small screen looking down at my hands all day. They can easily resolve this by doing one of the following:
1) Make 3DS games available for purchase on the Virtual Console (and make them available to play on 3DS as well)
2) Create a device similar to the Super Game Boy and let us play 3DS carts on the Wii U.
3) Allow the Wii U tablet to be replaced by the 3DS and let the 3DS play full-screen. (For the next revisions I guess)

Seriously, make it happen! Man I want to play some of those great games. They just need to unify the library and allow cross-buy/play and all that goodness.


I think ur dream may come true next gen, all signs are pointing to Nintendo unifying the handheld & home consoles by releasing devices with the same architecture and similar enough specs so they can play all the same games as one another.



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