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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - AMD Hinting that they will get the win for Nintendo's next handheld?

I saw this on NeoGAF and though I'd post it here as well to see what people think.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2014/06/10/amds-papermaster-moshkelani-talk-wearables-infrastructure-server-chips/

The quotes that are making people think this, "Another area of interest for semi-custom is handheld gaming, believe it or not. “Everyone thinks it is dead, but the [Nintendo] 3DS is still selling.” And this, "“Has to be at least $100 million annual revenue for us to go for it,” says Moshkelani. That’s a minimum, he explains, not a target."

A couple of points here.

1. How powerful could it be using AMD? Could they get it to around Wii U level?

2. What about backwards compatibility? It was my personal understanding that both the next handheld and console would be backwards compatible with the Wii U since they are using the Wii U as a starting point for their unified architecture.



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My only issue with having the next potential handheld also be compatible with wii u discs is that the reader would not let it be very portable anymore... Maybe a separate peripheral that came with the handheld?



Current Consoles: Gaming PC, Wii U, 3DS

What exactly is AMD?



Numberfox said:
My only issue with having the next potential handheld also be compatible with wii u discs is that the reader would not let it be very portable anymore... Maybe a separate peripheral that came with the handheld?


Well if it is indeed the case that it will ne able to play wii u games it would be only digital. Like yoou said, it would be too big.



Smear-Gel said:
What exactly is AMD?


AMD is a  semiconductor company they make GPUS and CPUs



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phaedruss said:

1. How powerful could it be using AMD? Could they get it to around Wii U level?

2. What about backwards compatibility? It was my personal understanding that both the next handheld and console would be backwards compatible with the Wii U since they are using the Wii U as a starting point for their unified architecture.


1. If it has WiiU's raw power it would need to be around the same level as a Surface Pro machine, but that thing needs a fan to run and the surface can get hot. I think Nintendo would want a cold/fanless machine. It would need to have 2016/2017's tech to work, but I don't think Nintendo will use newer tech.

2. If they still PowerPC maybe, but they would need to fit that in a handheld. Unless they find something else.



MsClasher said:
phaedruss said:

1. How powerful could it be using AMD? Could they get it to around Wii U level?

2. What about backwards compatibility? It was my personal understanding that both the next handheld and console would be backwards compatible with the Wii U since they are using the Wii U as a starting point for their unified architecture.


1. If it has WiiU's raw power it would need to be around the same level as a Surface Pro machine, but that thing needs a fan to run and the surface can get hot. I think Nintendo would want a cold/fanless machine. It would need to have 2016/2017's tech to work, but I don't think Nintendo will use newer tech.

2. If they still PowerPC maybe, but they would need to fit that in a handheld. Unless they find something else.

1. I think mobile is at least approaching Wii U levels especially with Nvidia Tegra K1.

2. They said something about the next platforms "absorbing the wii u architecture"



Numberfox said:
My only issue with having the next potential handheld also be compatible with wii u discs is that the reader would not let it be very portable anymore... Maybe a separate peripheral that came with the handheld?


 Buy on Wiiu and play on NIntendo WiiDSu



phaedruss said:
MsClasher said:

1. If it has WiiU's raw power it would need to be around the same level as a Surface Pro machine, but that thing needs a fan to run and the surface can get hot. I think Nintendo would want a cold/fanless machine. It would need to have 2016/2017's tech to work, but I don't think Nintendo will use newer tech.

2. If they still PowerPC maybe, but they would need to fit that in a handheld. Unless they find something else.

1. I think mobile is at least approaching Wii U levels especially with Nvidia Tegra K1.

2. They said something about the next platforms "absorbing the wii u architecture"

That's why it's still going to run hot. Tegra K1 TDP is supposedly 11W at max load, that's hot. It was at 28nm node. Let's assume by 2016-17, when 16nm finFET is ready, power consumption is reduced by ~50%, that would mean about 5.5W. 11W would be no problem for a actively cooled tab like Surface and 5W is not a problem for a iPad/SG tab size devices, but will still be a problem for handhelds like Vita/3DS.



nomad said:
phaedruss said:
MsClasher said:

1. If it has WiiU's raw power it would need to be around the same level as a Surface Pro machine, but that thing needs a fan to run and the surface can get hot. I think Nintendo would want a cold/fanless machine. It would need to have 2016/2017's tech to work, but I don't think Nintendo will use newer tech.

2. If they still PowerPC maybe, but they would need to fit that in a handheld. Unless they find something else.

1. I think mobile is at least approaching Wii U levels especially with Nvidia Tegra K1.

2. They said something about the next platforms "absorbing the wii u architecture"

That's why it's still going to run hot. Tegra K1 TDP is supposedly 11W at max load, that's hot. It was at 28nm node. Let's assume by 2016-17, when 16nm finFET is ready, power consumption is reduced by ~50%, that would mean about 5.5W. 11W would be no problem for a actively cooled tab like Surface and 5W is not a problem for a iPad/SG tab size devices, but will still be a problem for handhelds like Vita/3DS.


Yea Tegra K1 would be too expensive anyways, but even shrinking down the current wii u soc would be something since it's 45 nm. I was reading an AMD presentation and it said that shrinking from 40 to 28 nm reduces power consumption to a third of what it previously was IIRC. Given that and a slight downclock you could get it pretty low I think.