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gooch_destroyer said:

 

So who is this video for?  The people who bash the PS4 saying it has no games and that they know it'll get games in the future, exactly what he was saying in the video, or to the people who try to justify the PS4 having no games and that it's still worth purchasing "at this time?"   

Also like he stated in the video.  Everyone knows that there will be games in the future.  The only people bashing the console is those that say the system has no games at this point in time, and like every Playstation console has no games at this point in time.  Some of us, Playstation fans like me included, are pissed off that Sony does this every gen.  For a year plus though, those of us who actually want to play games on the console can't when there's pretty much nothing to play.  There's Infamous Second Son, but what's that going to take?  30 hours tops to platinum it, if that?



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kupomogli said:
gooch_destroyer said:

 

So who is this video for?  The people who bash the PS4 saying it has no games and that they know it'll get games in the future, exactly what he was saying in the video, or to the people who try to justify the PS4 having no games and that it's still worth purchasing "at this time?"   

Also like he stated in the video.  Everyone knows that there will be games in the future.  The only people bashing the console is those that say the system has no games at this point in time, and like every Playstation console has no games at this point in time.  Some of us, Playstation fans like me included, are pissed off that Sony does this every gen.  For a year plus though, those of us who actually want to play games on the console can't when there's pretty much nothing to play.  There's Infamous Second Son, but what's that going to take?  30 hours tops to platinum it, if that?

@Bold: Anyone whos making excuse to why is the PS4 selling so well.

@italics: You mean like what you've been doing? "Portstation 4" "Replaystation 4" Yeah.



Aerys said:
AZWification said:
Aerys said:
Indeed, except childish people, éveryône understand its stupid to say ps4 doesnt déserte thèse sales ( And se didnt hear thèse people during Wii era)

What the heck is up with your writting?


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Oh, I see! I was kinda confused when I first saw that writting!



                
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sundin13 said:

@.@ Nobody is arguing that the PS4 had a bad launch...we are and always have been talking about the current baseline in comparison to what has been considered good over the last 6 years.


The last 6 years include the peak years for the consoles. That isn't a baseline, it's just a random comparison. PS3 in 2011 already had price cuts, Gran Turismo, God of War, tons of CoDs, Batman and a lot of heavy hits. That's you comparison, the peak years of a console vs the first year of a console.



torok said:
sundin13 said:
 

@.@ Nobody is arguing that the PS4 had a bad launch...we are and always have been talking about the current baseline in comparison to what has been considered good over the last 6 years.


The last 6 years include the peak years for the consoles. That isn't a baseline, it's just a random comparison. PS3 in 2011 already had price cuts, Gran Turismo, God of War, tons of CoDs, Batman and a lot of heavy hits. That's you comparison, the peak years of a console vs the first year of a console.

Whats that I hear? More excuses...wow, I never would have guessed @.@

PS: Peaks don't last for 6 years
PSS: This whole conversation is silly. I already made my point that excuses are irrelevant (see OP) and you just keep giving me more excuses. Please stop, the irony of this whole situation is killing me.



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sundin13 said:
 

Whats that I hear? More excuses...wow, I never would have guessed @.@

PS: Peaks don't last for 6 years
PSS: This whole conversation is silly. I already made my point that excuses are irrelevant (see OP) and you just keep giving me more excuses. Please stop, the irony of this whole situation is killing me.

 

This is about excuses trying to deny it isn't selling well when it is at record pace. That's the big irony here. But this discussion is over since it's pretty clear that isn't going to nowhere.



Playstation is still catching up with day one pre orders in Europe..the demand is so high that they cant keep up



torok said:
sundin13 said:
 

Whats that I hear? More excuses...wow, I never would have guessed @.@

PS: Peaks don't last for 6 years
PSS: This whole conversation is silly. I already made my point that excuses are irrelevant (see OP) and you just keep giving me more excuses. Please stop, the irony of this whole situation is killing me.

 

This is about excuses trying to deny it isn't selling well when it is at record pace. That's the big irony here. But this discussion is over since it's pretty clear that isn't going to nowhere.

Yeah, it seems that it is about how you can only use excuses when they are defending the PS4 @.@ but yeah, lets end this discussion...



mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:

Me too, but I underlined what sundin13 and I were talking about (the present, not the past). Is that hard to understand our point? I have been telling it over and over again since the beginning.

And do you not understand the point of the video?   That particular individual has seen/received/heard complaints about why it's been selling...for this argument, more than it's competitors?  If he, in the video, suggested that the current weekly sales were somehow meteoric, that's incorrect (LTD it's doing well for the timeframe).  But, I don't think that was the intent, I could be wrong but I'm not sure he was making an argument for the best selling console of all time.  It's the fact that regardless of the weekly sales numbers, it's still regularly outselling it's competition (The Wii, PS3, 360, PS2, PS1, NES, SNES, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast etc.. are not it's direct competition), week to week, month to month, and typically in healthy fashion.

Think about it, if the sales from the beginning had been in the realm of what we're seeing weekly now, this wouldn't even be a conversation, because all 3 consoles would have low LTD numbers, right?  So, what sense does it make in taking just these weekly sales and making a point that's out of context with the purpose of the thread and video?

Yes, I understand the point of the video and I agree with most of his reasoning. PS4 isn't selling more due to some lack of game launches and the fact that the transition to the new generation is yet to be made by most of franchises (not to mention the price point, which is still too high for the masses). I got it and I don't challenge it. And if, as he says, there are people claiming there's no reason for PS4 to sell that much, he has every right to point out how mistaken those people are.

However, I can't agree with some of his points. First of all, PS4 is not selling good right now. Second, the console will not have the legs PS3 had. The latter is arguable and it's just a prediction of mine, but the former should be obvious to anybody. Once I saw it wasn't, I began to post on this thread. And so far no one was able to explain me how 100k weekly PS4 sales are good.

So, answering your last question, it makes sense to show he isn't right on that point (although his main point is correct and I didn't challange it at all). And, if a lot more people are wrong on that too, even more sense it makes to show the truth to everybody.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

sundin13 said:

@Zod: Quit dragging me into your discussion. I don't agree with what you are saying, so quit using my words as some kind of weird foundation for your argument. The PS4 is not doing bad, and I never said it was...

I know you have a slightly different opinion and I'm sorry if I haven't made it clear enough in my posts. But that was not my focus. We both don't think PS4 is doing great, unlike the people I quoted that presented weak arguments I felt compelled to challenge. They constantly tried to dodge the issue and I had to recall the beginning of the discussion (and you were part of it) for several times. I didn't mean to drag you into it.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M