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Zod95 on 13 July 2014
Carl2291 said:
So yeah I just cut down all those quote trees.

As has been said already, keep them down. Maximum of 3 per post. Thanks.

Ok, thanks.

 

@ Burek & mornelithe: thanks for the feedback too.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Burek on 13 July 2014
Zod95 said:
Carl2291 said:
So yeah I just cut down all those quote trees.

As has been said already, keep them down. Maximum of 3 per post. Thanks.

Ok, thanks.

 

@ Burek & mornelithe: thanks for the feedback too.

No problem. My finger still hurts from scrolling, though, I might have pulled a ligament or something ;)



Zod95 on 13 July 2014
mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

Wrong, I just rewatched:

"They believe there is no reason why the PS4 should have sold the way it has, or still is selling the way it is currently.  They feel like there’s no warrant to it, there’s not really anything Sony is offering with the PS4 right now, for it to be selling like this."

In fact, there is a reason why it's selling, currently, the way it is.  Because there's a dry spell, otherwise it'd be selling more.  :)  Sad you'd make that statement with the video right there, just aching to be listened to again, just to make sure you weren't wrong.  Luckily for me, you didn't do your due diligence.

You caught the right sentence and still can't see it?! Please look at the underlined. Can you deny he was talking about PS4 today / currently / right now?

And, before you tell me he was also talking about the PS4 in the past, he may, but that's not what sundin13 raised questions about, which was what Dr.Henry_Killinger has quoted and then I quoted after him. So please don't dodge the issue.

Yes, when you parse entire sentences to fit your assertions, it most certainly looks that way.  However, when taken in context, he's clearly talking about both arguments, past and present (otherwise, he would've just said he was talking about the present).  Notice, I didn't just parse the quotation to satisfy my needs.  I included it all.

Me too, but I underlined what sundin13 and I were talking about (the present, not the past). Is that hard to understand our point? I have been telling it over and over again since the beginning.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

torok on 13 July 2014
sundin13 said:
But the PS4 isn't really selling super well...? Its relatively good, but its more that XBO/Wii U are selling badly, and I think that the argument is that PS4 doesn't deserve to be selling so well relative to the others.

The fact that the PS4 is no longer killing it in the sales charts sort of destroys the whole video >.> (it also sounds like the guy who made it is a major fanboy...)


Why isn't it selling well? In the same week in 2007 we had: X360 at 69k and PS3 at 63k. It's outselling easily both of them, just isn't tracking with the Wii, but the Wii was a special case were sales died off in less than 5 years while PS4 will have legs like all of its predecessors. Right now, PS4 still is ahead of the Wii and PS2 on aligned launch data. Even X1 is pretty on par with the sales of the older consoles. And that's with price tags of US$ 400 and 500 while 360 was pretty cheaper.

It's time for people start to accept that it is selling well because it's current sales figures are a industry record for the same time period. How can a console that is at record pace be considered as "selling bad"? This doesn't make any sense.

Edit: Just to add some numbers, we had 360 in same week in 2006 doing 70k while completely alone in the market with zero competition. In 2008 we had both PS3 and 360 doing around 100k in their second and third years, respectively, with a massive library to help. Still, PS4 on par. If this month is like the others and VGC undertacked PS4, then it will be doing even better. Remember that MS talked about 9M PS4s and we probably don't have a lot sitting on shelves so VGC is probably way wrong.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

DialgaMarine on 13 July 2014
SnakeDrake said:
Why dont people get it yet its obviously selling because of the illuminati.

No! It's obviously because Sony sacrificed the exact right amount of goats to the blood god during the night of the purple moon that only appears once every 6969.69 years, all while singing praises to Zeus and the US government no longer being corrupt for exactly 7.5 seconds. Geez, how do people not understand this?





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thismeintiel on 13 July 2014
Carl2291 said:
So yeah I just cut down all those quote trees.

As has been said already, keep them down. Maximum of 3 per post. Thanks.

Is there also a rule about how many posts you make in a row?  Thought that used to be a thing.

@ OP

Yep, nothing buy poor excuses.  What's funny, though, is that if they think its doing so well, now, while having "nothing" to offer, jsut watch how these guys react in 2015 when Sony really starts its real push.  Of course, most of the people coming up with excuses just wish their console of choice was doing better.



 

mornelithe on 13 July 2014
Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:

Yes, when you parse entire sentences to fit your assertions, it most certainly looks that way.  However, when taken in context, he's clearly talking about both arguments, past and present (otherwise, he would've just said he was talking about the present).  Notice, I didn't just parse the quotation to satisfy my needs.  I included it all.

Me too, but I underlined what sundin13 and I were talking about (the present, not the past). Is that hard to understand our point? I have been telling it over and over again since the beginning.

And do you not understand the point of the video?   That particular individual has seen/received/heard complaints about why it's been selling...for this argument, more than it's competitors?  If he, in the video, suggested that the current weekly sales were somehow meteoric, that's incorrect (LTD it's doing well for the timeframe).  But, I don't think that was the intent, I could be wrong but I'm not sure he was making an argument for the best selling console of all time.  It's the fact that regardless of the weekly sales numbers, it's still regularly outselling it's competition (The Wii, PS3, 360, PS2, PS1, NES, SNES, Gamecube, N64, Dreamcast etc.. are not it's direct competition), week to week, month to month, and typically in healthy fashion.

Think about it, if the sales from the beginning had been in the realm of what we're seeing weekly now, this wouldn't even be a conversation, because all 3 consoles would have low LTD numbers, right?  So, what sense does it make in taking just these weekly sales and making a point that's out of context with the purpose of the thread and video?

Zod95 said:
Carl2291 said:
So yeah I just cut down all those quote trees.

As has been said already, keep them down. Maximum of 3 per post. Thanks.

Ok, thanks.

 

@ Burek & mornelithe: thanks for the feedback too.

No problem.



sundin13 on 13 July 2014
torok said:
sundin13 said:
But the PS4 isn't really selling super well...? Its relatively good, but its more that XBO/Wii U are selling badly, and I think that the argument is that PS4 doesn't deserve to be selling so well relative to the others.

The fact that the PS4 is no longer killing it in the sales charts sort of destroys the whole video >.> (it also sounds like the guy who made it is a major fanboy...)


Why isn't it selling well? In the same week in 2007 we had: X360 at 69k and PS3 at 63k. It's outselling easily both of them, just isn't tracking with the Wii, but the Wii was a special case were sales died off in less than 5 years while PS4 will have legs like all of its predecessors. Right now, PS4 still is ahead of the Wii and PS2 on aligned launch data. Even X1 is pretty on par with the sales of the older consoles. And that's with price tags of US$ 400 and 500 while 360 was pretty cheaper.

It's time for people start to accept that it is selling well because it's current sales figures are a industry record for the same time period. How can a console that is at record pace be considered as "selling bad"? This doesn't make any sense.

Edit: Just to add some numbers, we had 360 in same week in 2006 doing 70k while completely alone in the market with zero competition. In 2008 we had both PS3 and 360 doing around 100k in their second and third years, respectively, with a massive library to help. Still, PS4 on par. If this month is like the others and VGC undertacked PS4, then it will be doing even better. Remember that MS talked about 9M PS4s and we probably don't have a lot sitting on shelves so VGC is probably way wrong.


@.@ I've said it was selling well about 30 times already...but just "well" (I clarified this in all my other posts, and notice I said "super well" in my original post). Nothing more nothing less. We know what great sales look like because of the Wii, and we've seen multiple consoles regularly baseline over 100k through the summer for the last 5 years. 100k is good for a first summer, but it isn't anything to brag about.

Once again, I need to point out that excuses like "the Wii was a special case" is exactly the kind of stuff that the OP of this thread is saying is irrelevant....

@Zod: Quit dragging me into your discussion. I don't agree with what you are saying, so quit using my words as some kind of weird foundation for your argument. The PS4 is not doing bad, and I never said it was...



TheDarkTriforce on 13 July 2014

It always delivers Remastered Games :D And Sony always know how to not care about their PlayStation Vita purchasesrs right ;)



thismeintiel on 13 July 2014
torok said:
sundin13 said:
But the PS4 isn't really selling super well...? Its relatively good, but its more that XBO/Wii U are selling badly, and I think that the argument is that PS4 doesn't deserve to be selling so well relative to the others.

The fact that the PS4 is no longer killing it in the sales charts sort of destroys the whole video >.> (it also sounds like the guy who made it is a major fanboy...)


Why isn't it selling well? In the same week in 2007 we had: X360 at 69k and PS3 at 63k. It's outselling easily both of them, just isn't tracking with the Wii, but the Wii was a special case were sales died off in less than 5 years while PS4 will have legs like all of its predecessors. Right now, PS4 still is ahead of the Wii and PS2 on aligned launch data. Even X1 is pretty on par with the sales of the older consoles. And that's with price tags of US$ 400 and 500 while 360 was pretty cheaper.

It's time for people start to accept that it is selling well because it's current sales figures are a industry record for the same time period. How can a console that is at record pace be considered as "selling bad"? This doesn't make any sense.

Edit: Just to add some numbers, we had 360 in same week in 2006 doing 70k while completely alone in the market with zero competition. In 2008 we had both PS3 and 360 doing around 100k in their second and third years, respectively, with a massive library to help. Still, PS4 on par. If this month is like the others and VGC undertacked PS4, then it will be doing even better. Remember that MS talked about 9M PS4s and we probably don't have a lot sitting on shelves so VGC is probably way wrong.

Yea, PS4 is doing really well, all things considered.  Of course, it also could be slightly undertracked in US and EU.  We'll have to wait til NPD for US and Sony's next announcement for EU.  And 2015 should be the year things really kick into gear.  Sony has quite a few exclusives launching (some I'm sure aren't yet announced) and the PS4 will most likely get a ~$50 price cut near the end of the year.  Man, can't wait for this, and next year's, holiday seasons to see how high the PS4's sales fly.