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Nintendo's Problem -- There Simply Isn't Room For 3 Consoles

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Ucell said:
z101 said:
"Nintendo's Problem -- There Simply Isn't Room For 3 Consoles"

Seems this is more a Microsoft Problem this gen. Both Sony & MS has lost billions in last gen. In the "PS2-Gen" Nintendo made more money with gamecube than Sony with the PS2, despite the PS2 has sold far better.

On the other hand: Sony is practically bankrupt. So if the PS4 will survive this whole gen is debatable.

Prove that the GC made more money than PS2.


It probably didnt. Nintendo just made more in that gen because of the GBA I think.



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KLXVER said:
Ucell said:
z101 said:
"Nintendo's Problem -- There Simply Isn't Room For 3 Consoles"

Seems this is more a Microsoft Problem this gen. Both Sony & MS has lost billions in last gen. In the "PS2-Gen" Nintendo made more money with gamecube than Sony with the PS2, despite the PS2 has sold far better.

On the other hand: Sony is practically bankrupt. So if the PS4 will survive this whole gen is debatable.

Prove that the GC made more money than PS2.


It probably didnt. Nintendo just made more in that gen because of the GBA I think.

Yeah I knew it. He probably confused it with being the profits from GC alone rather than GC + GBA.



Twilord said:

Nintendo wanted to make a disk-drive expansion, went so Sony. They made a contract but it turned out the contract sucked and Nintendo realized they had to back out because Sony was asking too much. Sony went ahead with turning "the Nintendo Play Station" into "the Sony Playstation".

Arguably Nintendo taught Sony the lesson about not screwing over those you see as 'sub-ordinate game devs' that Nintendo itself would have to learn much later, which was part of what has actually caused problems for Nintendo in the long term.

 

When I read your version however I imagine Nintendo kicking the SNES out of the house because it was sixteen, going to tell its Wife Sony something important, and then being told Sony had gotten pregnant by Mr. Station. - Followed by Nintendo tormentedly asking how Sony could do such a thing, and then revealing it was m.preg.

Revisionist History

In reality, Both Sony and Nintendo went in wanting different things. Ken Kutaragi, (The lead designer of PlayStation up to PS3) wanted to get Sony into the game Industry, and Nintendo wanted to develop a CD addon.

Sony wanted control of the SNES-CD format, in the same way that Nintendo had full control over the Cartridge format.

My favorite part personally is this paragraph:

By this point, Nintendo had had just about all it could take. On top of the deal signed in 1988, Sony had also contributed the main audio chip to the cartridge-based Super NES. The Ken Kutaragi-designed chip was a key element to the system, but was designed in such a way as to make effective development possible only with Sony's expensive development tools. Sony had also retained all rights to the chip, which further exaserbated Nintendo.

The day after Sony announced its plans to begin work on the Play Station, Nintendo made an announcement of its own. Instead of confirming its alliance with Sony, as everyone expected, Nintendo announced it was working with Philips, Sony's longtime rivals, on the SNES CD-ROM drive. Sony was understandably furious.

Because of their contract-breaking actions, Nintendo not only faced legal repercussions from Sony, but could also experience a serious backlash from the Japanese business community. Nintendo had broken the unwritten law that a company shouldn't turn against a reigning Japanese company in favor of a foreign one.

http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/08/28/history-of-the-playstation

If anything it was more Nintendo's fault then Sony's, but hey that's buisness.

The result was a long-forgotten cd peripheral and a lawsuit from the company they worked with for Nintendo and 2/3 console generations and the leading 8th gen console for PlayStation. 

Quite ironic.



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Do not see how a 3rd console is part of Nintendo problem though... But i do have this problem that i feel i dont need a 3rd console that do and play kinda the same games the console i have do/play (Have WiiU-X1). But that time may come when you see a game you like and want that is only on that 1 console you dont have and end up with 3 consoles.



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IMHO either PS or Xbox needs to die. The industry would be healthier. Given global sales it looks like Xbox wouldn't be missed all that much.
The incredibly stupid thing about it is that Microsoft could make TONS more cash just raking in software sales but are too dumb/proud to do so. Getting into hardware was a mistake for them and has yet to pay off. The final years of 360 were profitable but it's would still take decades at those levels to even catch up to zero lifetime investment level. And now xb1 looks like a certain decline from 360 numbers, tablets and phones continue to be a minute fraction of the entrenched competition, I just don't get it.

Their software and business/enterprise sectors are massively successful, why do they bang their heads against the wall in ill advised areas?

A great recent example was surface. Tons of losses. No rt/tablet success. Then they release office for iPad and make unholy awesome sales instantly. It's the perfect example of smart and efficient ways to make insane money. If someone else has built and dominates a market : take advantage and ride the wave for huge $$$ using your finest assets. Dont wade in and shred billions out of stubborn pride trying to reinvent the wheel when customers are already locked in with a market leader situation. Nothing to gain from that.



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Solution: Become the first one.



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English is not my native language.

There isn't even room for 2 consoles the way this gen is going lol



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Older and wiser. Still bias and proud though ;)

Right. Because there "hasn't been room" for three consoles the last many generations either, yes?



Corrected:
"There just isn't a need for a third. The moment Microsoft came into the business and decided to hang around, is the moment the console business became too crowded for Microsoft."

Also, if the Wii is lightning in a bottle, then so is the DS, the 3DS, the GBA, the GB, the NES, the SNES, the N64.

No, there is room for Nintendo anywhere except your brain.



DarkD said:

Sony plays it way safer, they hardly do anything original or risky.  The Wii alone proves that a hundred times over.  Then theres Nintendo's back catalog of failed ideas Virtual Boy, Rob the Robot, Power Glove.  Sony's entire history has pretty much just been copy what works for the other two and see how the fans react.  


If sony just copied them we all would still be stuck in a kiddi gaming universe, where games are for kids and looked on as a joke by society.  Sony took the biggest risk and pushed the market beyond the safty of kiddies and selling only to them.  They took the challnage of expending the marlet beyond kids something nintendo neved dared to do.  

Its nintendos entire history that is do the same thing for decades pander to the same peopel with the same games.

 Also If failed add ons are originality to you then sega easly takes the cake from ninty in that.