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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

There isn't one.
But the older Intel Atom is probably the closest thing we have. Or a Dual-Core Pentium 4.

The Xbox 360's CPU is an In-order core, hyper-threaded, low-IPC.

Well, the CPU has some limited Out-of-Order capabilities though not nearly as extensive as X-86 cores. These have to be activated by the programs, which is part of the reason why the PPE in both Xenos and especially the Cell in the PS3 are so hard to program.

Since Xenos is a triple-core, I generally likened it to an Athlon II X3 4xx, which has the same amount of cores. The more modern, much faster architecture should make up for the lack of hyperthreading and some clock speed difference, so an 400e might suffice already.

I think likening it to the older Atom is going a bit too far, at least in performance. The Atom is comparable to early Pentium 4 in performance, both in IPC and clock speed. That's just a bit too slow.

That is very much compiler/developer reliant.

Even an Athlon 2 x3 400e @2.2ghz is likely to beat Xenon.
Remember AMD's Rana has twice the L1 Data+Instruction cache, Out-of-Order Execution, 50% more L2 cache, branch tree predictor, shorter pipeline (12 vs 21 stages), 50% wider core issue width and the list goes on... It's a far more modern and efficient architecture all round. Clockrates are only part of the story.

The 300~ million transistors in the Athlon X3 verses the Xbox 360's 165~ million transistors isn't for show and tell.

Xenon doesn't have an instruction window so large amounts of instruction-level parallelism is pretty much out of the window... But it does tend to rely more heavily on thread-level parallelism. - This is similar in philosophy to the earlier Intel Atom processors. (The more modern Atoms will likely beat the Xenon hands down.)

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/query/ee415832

Decoding of xWMA voices imposes a fixed CPU load of approximately 2 percent per voice on Xbox 360, and a small variable load on Windows (approximately 0.35 percent per voice on a 3GHz Prescott CPU).

So even there a Pentium 4 is showing it's advantages over Xenon.

Another thing to keep in mind is Jaguar which beats the last gen consoles. - Which is an update over Brazos, which in turn was the competitor to the Intel Atom, Rana likely beats that on a per-core basis.



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Pemalite said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well, the CPU has some limited Out-of-Order capabilities though not nearly as extensive as X-86 cores. These have to be activated by the programs, which is part of the reason why the PPE in both Xenos and especially the Cell in the PS3 are so hard to program.

Since Xenos is a triple-core, I generally likened it to an Athlon II X3 4xx, which has the same amount of cores. The more modern, much faster architecture should make up for the lack of hyperthreading and some clock speed difference, so an 400e might suffice already.

I think likening it to the older Atom is going a bit too far, at least in performance. The Atom is comparable to early Pentium 4 in performance, both in IPC and clock speed. That's just a bit too slow.

That is very much compiler/developer reliant.

Even an Athlon 2 x3 400e @2.2ghz is likely to beat Xenon.
Remember AMD's Rana has twice the L1 Data+Instruction cache, Out-of-Order Execution, 50% more L2 cache, branch tree predictor, shorter pipeline (12 vs 21 stages), 50% wider core issue width and the list goes on... It's a far more modern and efficient architecture all round. Clockrates are only part of the story.

The 300~ million transistors in the Athlon X3 verses the Xbox 360's 165~ million transistors isn't for show and tell.

Xenon doesn't have an instruction window so large amounts of instruction-level parallelism is pretty much out of the window... But it does tend to rely more heavily on thread-level parallelism. - This is similar in philosophy to the earlier Intel Atom processors. (The more modern Atoms will likely beat the Xenon hands down.)

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/query/ee415832

Decoding of xWMA voices imposes a fixed CPU load of approximately 2 percent per voice on Xbox 360, and a small variable load on Windows (approximately 0.35 percent per voice on a 3GHz Prescott CPU).

So even there a Pentium 4 is showing it's advantages over Xenon.

Another thing to keep in mind is Jaguar which beats the last gen consoles. - Which is an update over Brazos, which in turn was the competitor to the Intel Atom, Rana likely beats that on a per-core basis.

I think that's a very bad comparison since to my knowledge the Prescott cores and GPU of the time have a WMA decoder, which of course is something the Xenon doesn't have. But I see your point. 



What a strange string of logic. If the PS4 proves that consoles are popular and still viable, than consoles are actually obsolete? Also, you got a lot of faith in the mobile market, as well as mobile tech. It's going to be a few years before we actually get anything in a phone that could play Horizon: Zero Dawn without any cut backs. And with PS5 coming out this year or, more likely now, next year, it'll be decades more before anything can match that.

We do have Stadia announced, now. However, no one knows what kind of speed that's going to need to play competently or even the price. And not everyone has unlimited data to even take advantage of that. Consoles are here for the foreseeable future.



The PS4 winning the console war has been the highlight of my life so far. I thought the PS3 coming back to overtake the X360 was the greatest moment in my life. The PS4 to smash its rivals in the 8th generation console sales war has been the highlight of my entire life. I literally live for console sales wars.



Bit of jealousy that the console of choice be it Wii U or Xbox One had no hope of winning this console sales war. It is sour grapes. You are singing when you are winning but is hard to deal with defeat.



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thismeintiel said:
What a strange string of logic. If the PS4 proves that consoles are popular and still viable, than consoles are actually obsolete? Also, you got a lot of faith in the mobile market, as well as mobile tech. It's going to be a few years before we actually get anything in a phone that could play Horizon: Zero Dawn without any cut backs. And with PS5 coming out this year or, more likely now, next year, it'll be decades more before anything can match that.

We do have Stadia announced, now. However, no one knows what kind of speed that's going to need to play competently or even the price. And not everyone has unlimited data to even take advantage of that. Consoles are here for the foreseeable future.

Well I would say no handheld game beats PS2 games, much less PS4. Graphically they could be on par with even PS3, but on the complexity, control, quality of the game and all else they are much bellow.

There are the odd out PUBG and Fortnite on phones, but generally smartphone games are much inferior.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The PS4 winning the console war has been the highlight of my life so far. I thought the PS3 coming back to overtake the X360 was the greatest moment in my life. The PS4 to smash its rivals in the 8th generation console sales war has been the highlight of my entire life. I literally live for console sales wars.

You re a mighty weird chap.



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Zoombael said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The PS4 winning the console war has been the highlight of my life so far. I thought the PS3 coming back to overtake the X360 was the greatest moment in my life. The PS4 to smash its rivals in the 8th generation console sales war has been the highlight of my entire life. I literally live for console sales wars.

You re a mighty weird chap.

I feel for him and hope he has many more and different kinds of highlights in his further life.

Ontopic: PS5 might beat PS4 if it has the right preparations and we might see another PS2 in it, sales and gamingwise.