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fatslob-:O said:

Mobile devices like phones won't ever come close to consoles in power due to the fact that there's a limit to how much power they can consume ...

Why don't people understand this?



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Charlesabl8770 said:

for GPU: i dont know, its just graphics and resolution

Not anymore it's not. It's a very powerful compute tool, so you can use it for things like Physics and 3D Positional audio.

Mystro-Sama said:
fatslob-:O said:

Mobile devices like phones won't ever come close to consoles in power due to the fact that there's a limit to how much power they can consume ...

Why don't people understand this?

It takes about a generation for Phones to start getting near a console... At the moment we are in that funny place of having games with Xbox 360 levels of geometric complexity but with some other assets reminiscent of the Xbox One/Playstation 4.

Moores law does mean that phones can match a console, it just takes a long time... The same thing holds true with Console vs PC, PC can have much higher powerlevels.

For example, the Adreno 680 should be able to match the Xbox One in most tasks, especially when half precision is leveraged... The CPU that it is paired with should already have the edge anyway.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Laws of thermodynamics. I wish more people were familiar with them.



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Screenshot said:
Not for another generation or two. Not mobile, but streaming will replace consoles eventually. Too many people not taking Stadia whatever it's called seriously enough.

Because it's Google.  Who are notorious for both abandoning projects rapidly and crippling their own projects through bizarre decision making.



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kirby007 said:
Honestly i don't mind being wrong or being percieved as wrong. Its a good discussion to be had right now. Now my assumption might not have happend in the timeframe i set but wouldnt it be great to have for lets say 10 -20 euros a month extra a device you would have had otherwise anyway that can stream or play what consoles or older pcs can play aswell hell maybe even highend pcs with enough technological advancements? Instead of simply saying no, think with me

Honestly, no.  I don't want to play games on my tiny ass phone screen.  And if I'm going to have to hook it up to my TV or a monitor anyway, then I might as well just stick with a console.  Especially against a cost of 10-20 Euros a month extra.  A dedicated console + games would be price equivalent at the worst over a 5-7 year lifespan of the console

There's also a critical flaw in your implied argument.  There's not going to be a single streaming service at €10-20 per month.  There's going to be a number of them.  Each with their own exclusives and features.  You're dramatically underestimating the cost to the consumer.



DreadPirateRoberts said:
kirby007 said:
Honestly i don't mind being wrong or being percieved as wrong. Its a good discussion to be had right now. Now my assumption might not have happend in the timeframe i set but wouldnt it be great to have for lets say 10 -20 euros a month extra a device you would have had otherwise anyway that can stream or play what consoles or older pcs can play aswell hell maybe even highend pcs with enough technological advancements? Instead of simply saying no, think with me

Honestly, no.  I don't want to play games on my tiny ass phone screen.  And if I'm going to have to hook it up to my TV or a monitor anyway, then I might as well just stick with a console.  Especially against a cost of 10-20 Euros a month extra.  A dedicated console + games would be price equivalent at the worst over a 5-7 year lifespan of the console

There's also a critical flaw in your implied argument.  There's not going to be a single streaming service at €10-20 per month.  There's going to be a number of them.  Each with their own exclusives and features.  You're dramatically underestimating the cost to the consumer.

Even if Stadia were going to cost that much it wouldn't offer many games of worth. Stadia would just get generic 3rd party AAA games. Any exclusives of any sort just wouldn't show up on the system. Imagine if Stadia had launched at the start of 2018. Here's all the quality new games the service would have in 2018...


XONE Monster Hunter: World
Capcom, 2018
89.90%
10 Reviews
XONE Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Ubisoft, 2018
87.83%
18 Reviews
XONE Hitman 2
Io Interactive/Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, 2018
86.73%
11 Reviews
XONE Dragon Ball FighterZ
Arc System Works/Bandai Namco Games, 2018
85.55%
11 Reviews
XONE FIFA 19
EA Sports/Electronic Arts, 2018
84.38%
12 Reviews
XONE NHL 19
EA Sports/Electronic Arts, 2018
84.00%
11 Reviews
XONE Far Cry 5
Ubisoft Montreal/Ubisoft, 2018
83.46%
13 Reviews
XONE Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Eidos Montreal/Square EA, 2018
83.29%
24 Reviews

And that is really stretching it, because who knows if Namco or Capcom would really want to put their games on a service at launch like that. MH World is only just now coming to Gamepass, so if Stadia had been out in 2018, it likely would just now be coming to Stadia as well. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 10 April 2019

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Cerebralbore101 said:
DreadPirateRoberts said:

Honestly, no.  I don't want to play games on my tiny ass phone screen.  And if I'm going to have to hook it up to my TV or a monitor anyway, then I might as well just stick with a console.  Especially against a cost of 10-20 Euros a month extra.  A dedicated console + games would be price equivalent at the worst over a 5-7 year lifespan of the console

There's also a critical flaw in your implied argument.  There's not going to be a single streaming service at €10-20 per month.  There's going to be a number of them.  Each with their own exclusives and features.  You're dramatically underestimating the cost to the consumer.

Even if Stadia were going to cost that much it wouldn't offer many games of worth. Stadia would just get generic 3rd party AAA games. Any exclusives of any sort just wouldn't show up on the system. Imagine if Stadia had launched at the start of 2018. Here's all the quality new games the service would have in 2018...


XONE Monster Hunter: World
Capcom, 2018
89.90%
10 Reviews
XONE Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Ubisoft, 2018
87.83%
18 Reviews
XONE Hitman 2
Io Interactive/Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, 2018
86.73%
11 Reviews
XONE Dragon Ball FighterZ
Arc System Works/Bandai Namco Games, 2018
85.55%
11 Reviews
XONE FIFA 19
EA Sports/Electronic Arts, 2018
84.38%
12 Reviews
XONE NHL 19
EA Sports/Electronic Arts, 2018
84.00%
11 Reviews
XONE Far Cry 5
Ubisoft Montreal/Ubisoft, 2018
83.46%
13 Reviews
XONE Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Eidos Montreal/Square EA, 2018
83.29%
24 Reviews

And that is really stretching it, because who knows if Namco or Capcom would really want to put their games on a service at launch like that. MH World is only just now coming to Gamepass, so if Stadia had been out in 2018, it likely would just now be coming to Stadia as well. 

Why are you claiming those are the only games it would get?



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SpokenTruth said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Even if Stadia were going to cost that much it wouldn't offer many games of worth. Stadia would just get generic 3rd party AAA games. Any exclusives of any sort just wouldn't show up on the system. Imagine if Stadia had launched at the start of 2018. Here's all the quality new games the service would have in 2018...


And that is really stretching it, because who knows if Namco or Capcom would really want to put their games on a service at launch like that. MH World is only just now coming to Gamepass, so if Stadia had been out in 2018, it likely would just now be coming to Stadia as well. 

Why are you claiming those are the only games it would get?

It's not the only games it would launch with. But those are all the good games from 2018 that are not exclusives. So on a year by year basis the library would be limited compared to any other option. MS has their own services that they will want to promote, so no MS exclusives on Stadia. Sony and Nintendo won't bother either. PC exclusives are unlikely to make it to Stadia due to their niche audiences. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Why are you claiming those are the only games it would get?

It's not the only games it would launch with. But those are all the good games from 2018 that are not exclusives. So on a year by year basis the library would be limited compared to any other option. MS has their own services that they will want to promote, so no MS exclusives on Stadia. Sony and Nintendo won't bother either. PC exclusives are unlikely to make it to Stadia due to their niche audiences. 

That's not even half of them. 



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