If this doesn't work nothing will!

haha, yeah I wish more of their products would sell poorly.  

The MK8 bundle was still $30 cheaper than buying the console and game seperately.  You also got a steering wheel, Wii Remote Plus, and the code for a choice of games that don't drop in price and still cost $30-40 if buying at ToysRUs or similiar store.  So let's recap.

Buy an XBox One get $75 in free games.  

Buy a MK8 Wii U, get a $40 game free, $30 off a $60 new release game (MK8), 2 controllers free (priced them at amazon as $12 and $35) total of over $100 in savings.

The $100 pricecut on the One is just the removal of an accessory for a reduced price.  I don't know what the Kinect costs in relation to the bundle but it's not as desperate as you make it sound.  They removed a cost and reduced the price accordingly or maybe a little more to make a round number.  

To me, giving MK8 at half off, with an additional free game and accessories on what is one of their best selling games of the previous generation and killer app this year is a lot more desperate than $75 in digital content which minus MS cut of the digital sales, is a lot less than $75 loss to them or even one pack in game.

So according to you if they packed in Titanfall, jumped the price $30 and gave you a code for another One game that would be ok and not desperate, but outright giving you $75 for buying the console is desperate?  Because Nintendo at the expense of $30 more dollars, gave you a big new release for $30 off, 2 accessories worth at least $40, and a code for a $40 game.  As much if not more desperate.  Giving out your biggest at a discount and having to throw in another game and accessories and not even getting a winning week sure sounds bad to me.  

Your right, it does sound bad for nintendo. But as I remember nintendo when up like 500% in sales when the bundle came out. But when the Titanfall bundle came out, with a free game of the hotest game for x1 and 1 year of xbox live and lost the entire month like you like to point out. just so you know right there are 120$ of free things on a system that just came out, the it failed and stores wanted to get rid of the huge stock pile so THE STORES(NOT MS) started the 50$ back off on top of the 120$ off game plus live and still lost the month. And what as the boost fot that month like 60% for afterwards plumit to desastrous numbers. While mario kart has boosted sales all month long that is out.

I know perfectly that 400$ is not a pricecut, but does it matter? No. The majority saw it as a pricecut and still dint care for it and gave the x1 a 10-30% boost, so it still failed. After that embarasment the 75$ money back inmediatly after to try again, wich in my opinion is headed for another failur  due to public perception of the x1 has gone down insanely.

So if you see the situation bad for nintendo, I understand, since nobody but x1 fans understand since already 2 desparate mooves have failed them. But again, MS failure is yet to be determine ass nintendo, Just my opinion(and if you seen public perseption on the forums and big sites like kotaku) that the Wii u has been on the rise in popularity since E3 while X1 has gone down and the sales prooves this.

*EDIT: Forgot to mentioned the 10$ if you buy destiny for x1. That is the fourth desperate move by MS is the 7-8 months of launch. Nintendo did this very first desperate move (to my knowledge is the first)in almost 2 years and you think nintendo  is more desperate? ok sure.

And FYI you cannot include the 60$ for mario cart in the discount since every wiiu delux includes a game. I admit I'm forcing it a bit here, but its worth noting nontheless.

Nice and i got played over for $500, this cant be giving early adopters much confidence.

Desperation is clear, though a official 299 would be fR more effective.

Well first, the promotion for the $75 back is for a very select crowd, it's not as if anyone can walk into the store and get it.  It's something some 360 owners have seen, not a mass panic across the board thing.  

The truth is, the One is where the Wii U was last year, without compelling games.  Less than even the Wii U had at the same time.  Titanfall was hyped but it was a new IP, online only and made by a developer everyone hates.  It was also released on PC and 360 so it was not an exclusive like MK8 was.  

But the One is also still outselling the Wii U just a few weeks after what was supposed to be the Wii U savior.  It reality it seems like it gave it 100K-200K boost over what it was averaging but it was hardly better than what Titanfall was to the One, and even still for all the hype TF got, many gamers like myself were not interested in a multiplayer only game.  The One is also $100-200 more than the Wii U, so the fact that it is still outselling it week in and week out except for the couple weeks after MK8 came out, I wouldn't hold out for Nintendo taking second this gen.  

Let's be clear, neither MS nor Nintendo is doing very well.  I am not a fanboy of any of the 3 but I have chosen each of the 3 as my favorite for one generation or another.  I had a Wii U but sold it and don't own a PS4 or One.  But the big Nintendo releases are not adding up to more sales and the One still has lots of games coming down, there just weren't prepared and are suffering the drought of games that has plagued the Wii U.  

These promotions are necessary and a good incentive for motivating people looking for a little more value to purchase one.  MS giving out $75 in space bucks is not a $75 loss for them and it actually a better way than taking $75 off the price of the console for that reason.  Nintendo giving out the extra game seemed more excessive for me because here you had this really great game at half off along with 2 controllers so you'd think that was enough, especially with the history Nintendo has and the lowest price point.  We can go back and forth but I think its safe to say since PS4 doesn't do these cuts, clearly they are in the best position and the runner ups have to do a little more to make up for it.  

Just to respond to this part that you added after I quoted you.

You are being selective of what counts for desperate.  Let's look at the desperation of Nintendo.  

- Drop the price of their 32 GB bundle by $50    

- 3DS also gets a $80 price cut after sales are down, has to give free games to early adopters to smooth things over

- Consoles are almost all bundled with a game.  ( Wind Waker, New Super Mario Wii U/Luigi U, Zombi U, MK8, NintendoLand, Skylanders, 

- Free accessories and free game with MK8 purchase, not just for the console, but MK 8 in store, just the game and get a free game.  

- Free Four Swords Adventures

- Free Pokemon X or Y when you register your 3DS and a game

- Actually a lot more free games given away, something you don't need to do unless you need to boost sales.

These must all be desperate to, right?  A free game is more desperate than $10 off a new release, something many stores do anyway.  

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LMAO! Lets hope that doesn't happen, but lets hope they keep being generous, because god knows they aren't known for it.

I think I did edit that after you quoted, dint notice.

But lets see, 50$ price cut after a year on the market compared to 100$ percived price cut after 6 months on the market and the 75$ you an say is selective but a lot of people are being offered and still will until the end of the month, perhaps more.

All consoles after a while are bundled with a game. If you can show me any of the past gen that dint do this. Some like the x1 got the forza bundle only like 3-4 months after the console realesed.

And the rest wich you have mentioned seem to be 3ds deals. Probably the sillies thing to point out since after all that the 3ds is killing it and compared to the x1 all the things they have done and are still way behind getting minor boosts.

And you know why I mentioned the 10$ back, because the x1 fanbase threw a hissy fit after the ps4 bundle with destiny and where crying and wyning like little babies on all social medias. Making petitions so that no x1 owners buys destiny and twiter was inundated with hate for bungi. And you can see that this deal was made by MS, not bungy or ubisoft as a atempt to calm them down because otherwise september would have been ps4 10:1 x1 and for the rest of the year wich would have been the final nail in the cofin.

LoL, they must be in desperate need to move console, they give games away (bundle), xbl cash via gamestop, they bought your ps3 via ms directly, they make special deal every few weeks, they dropped price of titanfall from day 1, they offer credit on Destiny, kinectless bundle, not far from now you'll buy a Doritos bag + a M Dew and get a free xbone