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Xenobot said:
Twilord said:
Xenobot said:
Twilord said:
Xenobot said:
Twilord said:

So would anyone like to make any guesses of how many total units both dual-systems ecosystems will sell.

Is 3DS + Wii U an ecosystem?

How?


Because they share first-party franchises, the Mii-Verse, and eShop credit. Not to mention we've already seen games that work in conjunction with their couterparts on the other. Smash Bros and the eventual Pokemon Stadium style game being good examples of whats to come with Monster-Hunter and Sonic Lost World already have tapped into that.

Did you really not know?

I own 3DS + Wii U and PS4/PS3+PSVITA. But how to use Mario 3D World and Mario 3D Land together? I don't know.
PS4/PS3 and PSVita share online account. PSone titles work on both PS3/PSVita. That is clear for me. Some games on Playstation are cross platform (like Guacamelee, Superfrog HD) with cloud saves.

So - I should use one nintendo ID?

Does Virtual Consol titles work on both 3DS and Wii U like PSone titles on PS3/Vita?

Are there some sort of "cross buy"/"cross playable games" on Nintendo systems?

 


No one said the eco-system was as complexly integrated the as PS4 and Vita, but saying they don't have one because it isn't is like saying the PS1 didn't launch with controllers due to not having all the bells and whistles of a rumble-packed N64 controller.

Your argument is flawed. You can either disprove my that claims that there is a shared online Mii-Verse account, shared eShop account (shared credit does mean shared account), and the existance of games on each console that interact (Monster-Hunter and Sonic Lost World being examples - your Mario counter-example is like saying that since the element Naquadah doesn't exist that Gold, being an element, doesn't exist).

Your other option is to provide a defintion from a reliable source of what defiens a console eco-system - other than "whatever Playstation does".

I was just wondering and asking questions. Honestly I didn't know any thing about "Nintendo ecosystem" or whatever you like to call it.

PS4 + Vita is even worse then PS3 + Vita. You cannot play PSone titles on PS4, remote play does not work for me. Cross play/save thing only works in some games on PS3+Vita. It's a mess.

 

 


My apologies. I made the classic mistake of assuming everything I knew was known to you, which when you're as intimately aware of half a topic as I am is both extremely easy and extremely foolish. My bad.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Cyrus said:
My guess:
PS4: 50
Vita: 15

WiiU: 55
3DS: 70

My numbers are based on the follwing guesses:

PS4: Release hype + good sales for the first 3 years. Then interest could fall rapidly, since it doesn't offer much value compared to a slightly higher priced PC that offers a lot more.

Vita: Already at it's peak, so i guess it won't do much more if there's not some very attractive PS4 Vita combination.

WiiU: Didn't sell good during the first 1.5 years, now slowly picking up sales numbers. It will not have huge numbers as PS4 during the first 2 years, but will continue to sell on an okish level for a much longer time.

3DS: It's close to reaching its peak, so somewhat like current sales*1.5.

The 3DS has already peaked IMO anyway. But I can see it hitting around 70 million sold though liftime. The Wii U though has NO CHANCE at all of outselling the PS4. And it is not slowly picking up sales it is kind of flat right now. The Wii U will peak before the PS4 does as well so that gives the PS4 even more time to outsell it. And PS consoles have a longer sales history and better legs than NIN consoles if I am not mistaken.

Also what makes you think the PS4 doesn't offer much value compared to a slightly higer priced PC? Or is that just your opinion? Also what is the Wii U going to do in order to catch back up to the PS4? Like what scenario do you see where the sales pick up that much and hold? I can live with your other numbers but your Wii U/PS4 numbers just seem off.

Of course this is 'just' my opinion, i can't actually see the future, this thread is about guesses. 
The same goes for your statements, like "The Wii U will peak before the PS4 does as well so that gives the PS4 even more time to outsell it."

For my statement about PS4 doesn't offer much beyond a PC: Anything the PS4 can do, a PC can do as well. Only difference are the exclusives, and to my opinion that's not a big value compared to PC which also has games you can't play on PS4. While the WiiU offers more appealing exclusives (to me, this is opinion in case that ain't clear by now) + easily accessible asymmetric gameplay. 

The rest i already answered in my original post. Answered in terms of guessed, as this thread is about guessing.

And how are the WiiU sales flat now? They have been flat at around 30k per week for quiet some time. Then a big peak at MK8 release and now around 50k/week. So they have been picking up since MK8 which is just several weeks. So further picking up over the next months/years is -again- a guess. I guess so because i think its a great machine and more releases of popular quality games like SSB, Zelda, X, Bayo2, etc are going to come.

What is your reason to state (not guess), that there is "NO CHANCE" the Wii U could outsell the PS4? Can you see the future?



Cyrus said:

Of course this is 'just' my opinion, i can't actually see the future, this thread is about guesses. 
The same goes for your statements, like "The Wii U will peak before the PS4 does as well so that gives the PS4 even more time to outsell it."

For my statement about PS4 doesn't offer much beyond a PC: Anything the PS4 can do, a PC can do as well. Only difference are the exclusives, and to my opinion that's not a big value compared to PC which also has games you can't play on PS4. While the WiiU offers more appealing exclusives (to me, this is opinion in case that ain't clear by now) + easily accessible asymmetric gameplay. 

The rest i already answered in my original post. Answered in terms of guessed, as this thread is about guessing.

And how are the WiiU sales flat now? They have been flat at around 30k per week for quiet some time. Then a big peak at MK8 release and now around 50k/week. So they have been picking up since MK8 which is just several weeks. So further picking up over the next months/years is -again- a guess. I guess so because i think its a great machine and more releases of popular quality games like SSB, Zelda, X, Bayo2, etc are going to come.

What is your reason to state (not guess), that there is "NO CHANCE" the Wii U could outsell the PS4? Can you see the future?


Okay that's cool adn I can understand that. And my reason to state the Wii U has no chance to outsell the PS4 is basically just going by what is right in front of me. The Wii U has already has it's biggest game releast in MK8(no other NIN game moves more consoles than MK). And it still could not surpass the PS4, it will pick up more sales when SSB comes out and will get a nice boost for a few weeks as well but I can't see SSB doing what MK8 couldn't.And with the lack of 3rd party support the Wii U will be hurt a lot more in the long run as well.

The Wii U already has every advantage in the book to be selling better than the PS4 or the XB1 even and it isn't. It has been on the market longer, it is cheaper, it has more games and higher rated games. So in eseence the PS4 shouldn't even be beating it if you think about it in that sense. Like you I also think the Wii U is a great machine with some excellent games and more coming. But I also think the PS4 is an excellent machine with some great games and more coming. Not only 1st party but lots of 3rd party support as well which is an advantage for the PS4 and XB1. I guess my no chance statement was rather strong to say the least.And it came off as fact which it is not a fact at all. But I can't see a scenario where the Wii U will pick up in sales to the point that they surpass and stay ahead of the PS4 when thinking about those things.

Don't get me wrong anything can happen but I just can't see it.



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drake_tolu said:

PS4 > 3DS + Wii U + Vita

Maybe, PS4 sell even more of 3DS+Wii U+XOne...

3DS+WiiU+Vita currently doubles PS4-sales. For your prediction to come true, PS4 must double sales or the others are dropping to half for a longer period of time. Seems currently unlikely.



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cheshirescat said:
FromDK said:

(first.. you do understand that my estimate are based on how i think thishole gen will be.. not how fast each console get out of the  gate)

OK.. :)

The Ps4 will not disapper from the market.. but (i think) sales will slow (even) more down.. and WiiU will pass in weekly sales. (before this cristmas)

This is based on (for me) the fact that Nintendo offer so much more value and games for the "casual/family" than PS4 and One.

Why I think will take a big piece of the market we call "casuals" (the ones not yet entered this gen.. the +70% of all console/videogame players)

Better price.. better games.. new experinces.. More fun..

Casuals have entered the market, on smart phones and tablets.  There's nothing the wii u offers that they care about, they are not going to suddenly materialize from the aether and save the wii u.

Same is true for PS4. The casuals that helped to increase the sales of the PS2 are now absent. No Dance Dance Revolution or Singstar will change that.



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Mnementh said:
drake_tolu said:

PS4 > 3DS + Wii U + Vita

Maybe, PS4 sell even more of 3DS+Wii U+XOne...

3DS+WiiU+Vita currently doubles PS4-sales. For your prediction to come true, PS4 must double sales or the others are dropping to half for a longer period of time. Seems currently unlikely.

Indeed it will...



Well, I think:
PS4=100M
3DS=75M
WiiU=35M
Vita=20M

So Sony wins by 10M.



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drake_tolu said:
Mnementh said:
drake_tolu said:

PS4 > 3DS + Wii U + Vita

Maybe, PS4 sell even more of 3DS+Wii U+XOne...

3DS+WiiU+Vita currently doubles PS4-sales. For your prediction to come true, PS4 must double sales or the others are dropping to half for a longer period of time. Seems currently unlikely.

Indeed it will...

Only time will tell...



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Mnementh said:
drake_tolu said:
Mnementh said:
drake_tolu said:

PS4 > 3DS + Wii U + Vita

Maybe, PS4 sell even more of 3DS+Wii U+XOne...

3DS+WiiU+Vita currently doubles PS4-sales. For your prediction to come true, PS4 must double sales or the others are dropping to half for a longer period of time. Seems currently unlikely.

Indeed it will...

Only time will tell...

Yeah, but for now, i said this, because PS3 the week of 30 Jun, PS3 have sold 61,231 unit...now look the week of 25 Jun 2011, and resul almost triple: 166,266...

I predict that the week of 2017 on June, PS4 will have costancy of 250,000.



Mnementh said:
cheshirescat said:
FromDK said:

(first.. you do understand that my estimate are based on how i think thishole gen will be.. not how fast each console get out of the  gate)

OK.. :)

The Ps4 will not disapper from the market.. but (i think) sales will slow (even) more down.. and WiiU will pass in weekly sales. (before this cristmas)

This is based on (for me) the fact that Nintendo offer so much more value and games for the "casual/family" than PS4 and One.

Why I think will take a big piece of the market we call "casuals" (the ones not yet entered this gen.. the +70% of all console/videogame players)

Better price.. better games.. new experinces.. More fun..

Casuals have entered the market, on smart phones and tablets.  There's nothing the wii u offers that they care about, they are not going to suddenly materialize from the aether and save the wii u.

Same is true for PS4. The casuals that helped to increase the sales of the PS2 are now absent. No Dance Dance Revolution or Singstar will change that.

Did I insinuate that the casual market cared about ps4, or anything about the playstation brand for that matter?  At this point in time the ps4 doesn't need them anyway.