Ummm no it isn't... a) Its a low powered laptop GPU b) Its a very entry level GPU that even the Nvidia 200 series desktop GPUs can beat which launched at 2008-2009 c) Ps3/360 games are more well optomized than PC games. Heck, low-medium settings bf4 on pc looks worse than the graphics on the ps3/360. Just cause it has 1GB of memory with slightly higher memory bandwidth vs the ps3's 512mb doesn't mean much when everything else by comparasion is shit

My point btw is that if you look at bf4 on max settings on PC, it looks really, really good but you can still run it on last gen consoles as well as super entry level GPUs and this goes for many other PC games as well.

The 425M is more powerful than the PS3's GPU (which is iequivalent to the Gefore 7800GT). That's just a fact. Optimizzation to a set architecture has nothing to do with what we're talking. In fact, the 425M being more powerful or less powerful than the PS3, or the 425M being able to play Battefield 4 on low settings has nothing to do with my original statement because BF4 isn't a next gen game. Let me repeat myself, as it seems you've lost your way in this conversation:  The next Elder Scrolls will not look as good as the modded version of Skyrim. Elder Scrolls 6 with the same graphical fidelity as Skyrim + every graphical mod (or even half of them) cannot be run by enough PC gamers to support the development costs.

Your Original Comment was " Of course not. The game wouldn't sell if they tried that because only 10,000 or so people would be able to run it." Which I responded to by saying basically, PC games have options so the PCs that aren't top gaming PCs can still run the game, then I provided an a very entry level GPU example as well as a game that is ground up made for PC which is BF4 which 425m can run on low to medium settings which is a gpu that many PCs, even with some intel video cards, can beat and the point was that bf4 on max settings looks very different than bf4 in low settings and since bf4's lead platform is PC and it is ported to consoles, it is technically a next gen game considering PCs have had the "next gen" experience for many years

Not once did I mention anything about development costs nor did I say that it will look anything like that in the next installment in our conversation and that is not what we are arguing about... We are arguing about the fact that is it possible for not-so high end PCs to run the next elder scrolls if it looked like that on max settings and my arguement was yes it is provided there is an option to lower the graphics... If you put that bolded part in your original post, then this conversation would never exist. All I am saying is that, if they were to make a game look that good, they can have options where it doesn't look near that good but it can still run on mid teir PCs. And I also think you vastly under-estimate how many gaming pcs there are in the market

Also, if you look here: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Most of those GPUs are better than a 425M with the exception of some intel ones and 71% of those are direct x 11 gpus which are a minimum requirement for most games these days. Oh and the ps3 gpu is a highly custom GPU so while someparts, it may seem like its a 7800 GTX, if you look in the technical level, it capable of a lot more than just what a standard 7800 is capable of, specially thanks to its cell cpu. But anyway, lets stop arguing since this isn't going anywhere and also, keep the quote trees down cause the mods don't like it

Edit: Oh and that link doesn't have anything to do with the "And I also think you vastly under-estimate how many gaming pcs there are in the market" comment

No, it won't. But I'm sure it will support mods. So it's all good.

I don't even think you're trying to understand simple sentences anymore. I'm still going to have the same HDD in my new rig.

You still dont understand. You're still ignoring the fact that BF4 is not a next gen title even though it looks the best on PC with max settings. It is visually impressive on max settings, yes, but it isn't utilizing all next gen technology. Skyrim, with all the graphical mods and next gen technology utilized is not something that can run on the mass market GPUs. There's no getting around that, and it's the same reason why games like The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, etc. will not be coming to last gen consoles. It simply isn't possible, even if they wanted to scale it down to run. If they could scale it down enough, they would because that would mean a wider audience to buy their product.

I've never underestimated how many gaming PCs there are in the market. You underestimate how many high end gaming PCs there are in the market. The survey you linked proves that. Bethesda and most other developers for the next coming years will focus on the AMD 270-280x (or their NVIDIA equivalent) range of graphics cards for high-max settings.

Lastly (and I do mean lastly because I'm done trying to explain this to you), Also, the only thing you've done is highlight the benefits of console architectures. You've done nothing to prove your point. Whether games can be optimized better on the PS3 (which they of course can) or not does nothing to disprove what I'm saying.

nope Skyrim PC will look better because of mods.


Btw I hate that there is no standard mod pack that combines the best mods in the world in 1 pack. Its so annoying to add everything manually and figure out what mod is better etc....

Yes, I downloaded it too... Guess what, I cannot run it without lags... 
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. So this 1M figure makes no sense whatsoever.

Stop assuming people do not like PC just because they do not believe there is a "huge" high end PC market... 
I'm pretty sure I spend way more time than the average gamer on my PC (playing... not browsing...)

So yah I prefer a game developper to spend time on additional content for PC/Console than wasting their time on high-end settings... Content with good gameplay and quality > super very high end settings anytime imo.

And I don't think you understand that most gamers don't bother downloading things that they won't use for a while months (or years) in advance. You are an exception.

Also, if you plan on getting a new operating system on your new rig, you're still going to have to deal with moving mod files manually after re-installing Nexus.

And where did I say that I want super-high graphics? No where. I've said multiple times in this thread that I want a large, diverse game world over graphics, the modders will do the rest of the work.

But ignoring the high-end PC market in favor of parity is a completely asinine idea, seeing as how fast PCs are gaining popularity. There's a reason there are multiple settings on PC for one game. Just because you can't play the highest setting doesn't mean that all gamers should gave a gimped game.

And if you installed the ENB without looking at the reccomended settings, it's your own fault.