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Shame,it had so much potential



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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Conina said:

Over 8 million customers and counting seem to think otherwise. Even if the handheld market is much smaller than the the market for mobile games and it's shrinking, it won't disappear completely. The market for motorbikes is also much smaller than the market for cars, but nobody is suggesting to ditch the production of motorbikes completely or only let 1 manufacturer produce them.

Sure Sony would be much happier if the Vita sales were as good as the PSP sales the generation before. And Nintendo would be much happier if they could reach DS sales with the 3DS. But if they manage to make a profit with their systems even in a smaller scale, they should be fine and don't have to precipitously end the production of that devices. 

apples to oranges. 

It doesn't matter if 8M people have bought the system in the past 2 years. It doesn't even matter if the market disappears or not. No market ever disappears. If sega decided to make a console today, tehre would probably still be at least 10M that would buy it. Business doesn't work that way. What is important is how large of an install base do you need to have a profitabe business or do you need to even make the effort worth while. 

Do you have any idea how many smartphones are sold daily worldwide? or in a month. That is the market that sony and nintendo are competing in when looking at handhelds. And its also showing with the amount of publishers looking to mobile to publish their handheld games. 

And I don't even know why you are arguing with me, what i am saying is already hapenning. Sony is making fewer vitas, stock is dwindling in major retailers as retailers don't even bother replnishing stock cause its sales are too low. There are fewer and fewer excusive handheld IPs from sony or third parties. The vita is being reduced to a companion device for the PS4 and there are rumours of a PS4vita bundle which in truth is just a nifty way to clear out accumulated stock. None of this would be happenning if the vita is making enough money for sony for them to justify support for it. The only reason it could come to this is if you have a device that is not needed.

There are 1B people with smarthphones today. When you think handhelds, that is the market they are up against. And sony also makes phones. so why the hell stil body with handhelds. invest more in your smartphone business. the phone and marketing. put out s studio or tow aside and publish games excusively for the smartphone space. all money in your pocket.



Intrinsic said:

Do you have any idea how many smartphones are sold daily worldwide? or in a month. That is the market that sony and nintendo are competing in when looking at handhelds.

Yes, I know. But not every smartphone user wants to play games on that device and only a fraction of the smartphone / tablet gamers are going to pay more than 5 bucks for a mobile game. And many mobile games profit from real stick and buttons, the accessories for smartphones are still clunky or way overpriced and lack compatibility. Many smartphone users also don't want to drain their batteries while gaming and lose their accessability by phone for the rest of the day... with an additional device they don't have to worry about that.

I too have doubts that we will see another dedicated handheld from Sony but why the hell should they end the production of PSVita devices and shut down the PS-Store on the Vita in the next years if they are profitable and don't "bleed money"? The product is already on the market, what's done is done, R&D costs have been spent.

Sony gets its license fees for every Vita game sold digitally or at retail... if the digital revenue is higher than the maintaining costs of the PS Store it would be dumb to shut it down. If they switch 100% to Android & iOS instead, they would only earn revenue for their first party games (and would have to pay license fees to Apple, Google and Amazon). If they use their own mobile platform "PS Mobile" instead, they can keep the compatible PS Vita in the loop (the Vita-compatibility of the popular Unity-engine should help), so why ditch that hardware? 



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Predictions: PS4: 110m, XB1: 65m, Wii U: 15m, 3DS: 70m, PSV: 15m

Curl - 6 was right about Zelda U never being a wii u exclusive, I should have never bet against him :p  

Conina said:

Yes, I know. 1. But not every smartphone user wants to play games on that device and only a fraction of the smartphone / tablet gamers are going to pay more than 5 bucks for a mobile game. And many mobile games profit from real stick and buttons, 2.the accessories for smartphones are still clunky or way overpriced and lack compatibility. Many smartphone users also don't want to drain their batteries while gaming and lose their accessability by phone for the rest of the day... 3. with an additional device they don't have to worry about that.

I too have doubts that we will see another dedicated handheld from Sony but 4.why the hell should they end the production of PSVita devices and shut down the PS-Store on the Vita in the next years if they are profitable and don't "bleed money"? The product is already on the market, what's done is done, R&D costs have been spent. 

All very good points... 

  1. This is true, but its easily rectified. The average smartphone gamer is a casual gamer. Their idea of a game is cut the rope or temple run. They are so in and out that they won't even consider spending money on a game if those expenses weren't somehow hidden from them. But if the only thing that turned a smartphone/tablet into a dedicated gaming mobile platform was some sort of controller add on, then its requiring less of the dedicated handhled gamer to buy a controller for their phone at $30 than to buy and carry an entirely new device that needs it own power source. If there is no other option for mobile games than on smartphones, those willing to pay for games will be there to pay for them too.
  2. Accessory design is a moot point, just look at console controllers 30yrs ago. I actually have sketches for a foldable controller that give you all the functionality of a PS3 controller but can be folded to around the size of a cigerret pack. Working my way towards getting it on kickstarter. :)
  3. Additional device.... thats the problem.
  4. they may be profitable, but only marginally so. And there is so much else that goes into supporting hardware. At the end of the day, $100M spent here to make $120M back is never as good as $100M spent here to make $500M. Thats what makes a shift in focus better. 


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Conina said:
Intrinsic said:

 

  • And no one is saying the vita is not a great all round device. Its just not needed.

 

Over 8 million customers and counting seem to think otherwise. Even if the handheld market is much smaller than the the market for mobile games and it's shrinking, it won't disappear completely. The market for motorbikes is also much smaller than the market for cars, but nobody is suggesting to ditch the production of motorbikes completely or only let 1 manufacturer produce them.

Sure Sony would be much happier if the Vita sales were as good as the PSP sales the generation before. And Nintendo would be much happier if they could reach DS sales with the 3DS. But if they manage to make a profit with their systems even in a smaller scale, they should be fine and don't have to precipitously end the production of that devices. 

I'm pretty sure 4 million Vita owners had sold their Vita's when it had reach 6 million.

So I would say its something more like 4 million costumers, since the rest of them sold & traded their Vita's for 3DS or cash from retailers.



SubiyaCryolite said:
Shame,it had so much potential


It was the PSP part 2.



Kaizar said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Shame,it had so much potential


It was the PSP part 2.


Not even close.  Sony wishes Vita sold half as well as PSP.



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IkePoR said:
Kaizar said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Shame,it had so much potential


It was the PSP part 2.


Not even close.  Sony wishes Vita sold half as well as PSP.


The PSP had quite a few great hidden gems. Hopefully the Vita will as well by its demise.



I don't think they evens sell it at walmart any more. don't remember seeing one in months.