...lol are you sure you read what I posted? When did I say christianity causes slavery?

A need for cheap labor causes slavery in quite sure no one denies that 

For someone who is wrong quite often you're very aggressive lol calm done brother have a brandy or something 

Btw this is unrelated to what was said above but values obviously influence behavior this applies to your rants earlier on also 

I have a die on my desk. Next time a person fails to check their quote trees, I will roll it, double the number, and that will be the length of their ban.

#thisishowimoderate

Well I suppose I could then go on to ask what is so evil about having such a connection with someone of the same gender even if it's eternal but I guess it's a belief thing 

You seem though to be moving away from it being sin because of it being an abomination to God's creation though and more towards it being sub because of a same sex connection

And don't get me wrong I don't quite get it either but I don't see what's so evil about it myself once no one is harmed 

Sorry I'm on a phone so I couldn't trim 

"considering that Christianity was one of the tools used by the slavers in the first place to pacify the enslaved and also to justify the act of slavery in the first place 

You might want to research that 

Another interesting tidbit is that the bible does not abhor slavery "

Are you sure you want to do this? 

I mean you stated that Christianity was used by slavers as pacification, justification for slavery you are implying causation.

Not to mention, you haven't provided evidence, instead you've said there are many written accounts, despite the fact that you haven't cited any of that vast amount of information.

You also say that Christinaity doesn't abhor slavery implying that it supports it rather, than understanding the fact that around the time that the bible was written, slavery was commonplace and not seen as an injustice for the most part. Its not like the Bible advocates slavery.

And even if it did, free will exists, the fact that people are claiming to reject it and religion in general purports that idea, so it stands to reason that humans can make a choice to accept whatever values they want and if they commit crimes in the name of those values then its the person who commited the crimes and accepted the values who is the problem and not the values themselves.

And FYI, this: "This worst part of this argument is that few on either side are rational or even understand what these terms mean.

Fallacies and generalizations all over the place, its frankly disgusting, but don't mind me I'm just commenting." was in response to the entire thread including you, not just your petty squabble. I mean germans killed Jews at one point in history, should we punish all germans because of it? 

My bad lol. I was being really lazy

Yes, it is an interesting subject. When I think on abominations I think about going away from creation, food abuse is about self control, I mean, indulging on a blessing of the Lord. I guess homossexuality is more about transgression than indulgence in that sense: it is not about doing too much or in the wrong way, but doing in a form that was not mean to be I guess.

But, consider this: it is worst, no to God, but to the sinner because it is so easy to say: "I did this, so I am gay now. There is no turning back" 

It really makes a mark on the person, I mean, for herself. But I also think that mixing species is a similar sin: you take a pig and cross it with a spider, it is an abomination of the creation. So, I don´t think it is the worst sin by any means, I just think it harms the sinner a lot, because it is something that is very hard to turn away from.

From what I know about God, He would never forbid something that is good to us, if He forbids, then the thing is harmful, He rules out of love, not out of pride. The things that makes us a easier target to evil are the worst sins. The reason is that God is almight, but He is ALL truth, so he puts His word in a higher place than His own name :

I will give worship before your holy Temple, praising your name for your mercy and for your unchanging faith: for you have made your word greater than all your name.
Psalms 138:2

That is why He teaches in such a way. Althought He loves us, He must punish the transgression and allow the devils to harm the people that gave evil place and a door to their lifes, because He cannot lie.

That is the evil´s most powerful weapon: the lies, the evil is all lies and Gos is all truth, that is why to evil it is the same thing and the same victory when a person is a atheist, a UFO fanatic or a satanist, there are thousands of ways to lie, but only one way to say the truth.

Uh... So therefore you acknowledge that I didn't say that... Ok that's good what I posted was quite clear whatever further inferences you make are all on you

As for evidence that's what Google is for

And finally the point about free will leads back to what I just said about values influencing behavior 

Sure you may have free will but if you're following values with the understanding that should you choose to reject them you will be punished and that those values are the only way to live your life

You're going to be coerced into making certain decisions based on those values that should be obvious... So ultimately what I'm saying is that as a theist no you do not have free will under certain conditions 

Fair enough

Well about corrupting creation it actually happens in ways that can't be helped 

For example when people take antibiotics for illness which results at times in new mutant strains of pathogens bring formed I 

Yes, that is a good point. I was thinking about those projects to cross species, even with humans, have you heard of those? This kind o thing is pretty scary.

Did you know this is the reason God send the flood? Read Genesis 6, the fallen angels (sons of God) married the human women and they gave birth to abominations (giants and nephilins), these monsters corrupted all flesh of the Earth, including the animals. 

That is the same thing science is doing now: crossing species in a unholy way. I heard they are even making cow-human hybrids and stuff like that.