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DarkWraith on 30 June 2014
prayformojo said:

 

It's the theory that there are universes within universes. The idea that a vastly more advanced and evolved life form created life within a computer, and we are that life. Sort of like The Sims or Spore or... other "God simulators" but obviously much more advanced. Naturally, the life evolves within the code and ends up developing their own computers and then the cycle continues.

 

It's not crazy when you think about it and some of the best minds in science are starting to go in that direction (look it up). 



it's incredibly inept, unfalsifiable, and asinine to put it mildly. in the same line of reasoning, I could be in a coma hallucinating my entire existence, without any awareness of being in a coma. the world would simply pass me by. this is the type of pseudo-scientific bullshit that should be swiftly stomped out of existence. it's at best a philosophical idea, like the BIJ scenario, or p-zombies.

no serious scientist would bother with this rubbish, you are clearly mistaken.

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o_O.Q on 30 June 2014
WagnerPaiva said:
Areym said:

Well, im pretty sure the bible opposess gay relationships. Again, people can do that if they want. My problem is when they use it as the only excuse. Fuck, the bible says not to eat shellfish, but we still do it but when it comes to gay marriage/relations, " oh its an act against god, its a travesty." People are not oppossing it for their own opinions, just because some guy in a robe told them its wrong. Besides, why even oppose? It affects no one but gays themselves. "We have to talk to our children and educate them on sexual orientation? Well fuck that."

I just said, it was not just christinaity. Many other religions oppose it because "the word of god" tell them to. Other ones are more open because it is not their place to judge others. There are many others religions that have no opposition to it. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (leviticus 20:13)

That is pretty fucking direct. If you are gay, you deserve death. That goes against loving your neighbor and there are a lot of different occassions where people are stone to death. Does that sound like the word of god to you or just some irrational, fear morgering dipshit?

Again, this is a large part of the christian given the fact that gay marriage is still illegal in most of the US and the world. They do not want to stone gay people or kill them of course but they are still oppose to the idea just because.

God do not hate gays, but He does hate homossexuality, as it is an abomination of His creation. He does not hate more than the creation of animal hybrids for example, also an abomination of what He created, but it is a sin.

The evil know that, that is why they worked so hard to make Israel the gay capitol of the world, to humiliate God: His nation is now the Capitol of the abomination of his creation.


What about fat people? Isn't being lazy and allowing your body to become overweight an abomination of God's creation also?

Why do Christians never comment on that? Why do they only focus homosexuality? 



Ouroboros24 on 30 June 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Ouroboros24 said:

In a perfect world, nothing needs to be banned, simply no one chooses to do the wrong.  The philisophical rammifications on banning religion is out right blasphemy, not in terms of religion, but in terms of humanity. 

And what is religion?  Isn't Atheism also a belief system?  Despite not believing in a higher power, the power is relegated onto humanity in itself. 

But yeah, it would be pretty cool if everyone gave in to logic and cast aside the romanticism of easy answers.


This still annoys me. Why do people consider athiesm a belief system? It isn't an just an alternate to religion.

Say we met some people that had never heard or thought about religion before would you still consider their athiesm to be a belief system or a total lack of belief?

Maybe if there were first a lack of belief in God, but I'm betting everyone here has an understanding of a "God" and it's concepts, therefore you can categorize them as either a believer or an atheist.  And Athiesm is a belief, or else why have a word for it?

Just because you don't know what 'cannabalism' is, if you eat your own species, you are one.



o_O.Q on 30 June 2014
marioboy2004 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:Is this argument about religion or christianity, you can save the trouble yourself and just wipe out all the... and forget that it even happened.

Point is science only functions when their is freedom of beleif, take that away for any reason and you're basically just as bad as the Church when they where in power. 

Seriously, blame the people not the what they claim to believe. 

That was kind of the point I was trying to make. marioboy2004 suggested there was some correlation between christianity and the worlds brightest thinkers I was trying to show that that isn't really the case. My example was trying to show that incredibly controlling religions like Christianity or Islam were in the middle ages deter rather than encourage progress and only after having freedom of belief was society able to properly progress again.

Atheism is just an eloquent way for people to use flowery verbs and adjectives to Re-present pagan morality as the "new age" morality, when in fact abortion, euthanasia, and sexual hedonism were all there before Christianity came to be..it's the "neopaganism" and Christians just filtered the harmful stuff out
Even the slavery abolitionist movement was led by the Church.. Martin Luther king jr was a renowned preacher and christian himself


Lol we that's quite ironic considering that Christianity was one of the tools used by the slavers in the first place to pacify the enslaved and also to justify the act of slavery in the first place 

 

You might want to research that 

 

Another interesting tidbit is that the bible does not abhor slavery 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 30 June 2014
DarkWraith said:
prayformojo said:

 

It's the theory that there are universes within universes. The idea that a vastly more advanced and evolved life form created life within a computer, and we are that life. Sort of like The Sims or Spore or... other "God simulators" but obviously much more advanced. Naturally, the life evolves within the code and ends up developing their own computers and then the cycle continues.

 

It's not crazy when you think about it and some of the best minds in science are starting to go in that direction (look it up). 


it's incredibly inept, unfalsifiable, and asinine to put it mildly. in the same line of reasoning, I could be in a coma hallucinating my entire existence, without any awareness of being in a coma. the world would simply pass me by. this is the type of pseudo-scientific bullshit that should be swiftly stomped out of existence. it's at best a philosophical idea, like the BIJ scenario, or p-zombies.

no serious scientist would touch it with a 10 foot pole, you are clearly mistaken.

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WagnerPaiva on 30 June 2014
o_O.Q said:

The evil know that, that is why they worked so hard to make Israel the gay capitol of the world, to humiliate God: His nation is now the Capitol of the abomination of his creation.


What about fat people? Isn't being lazy and allowing your body to become overweight an abomination of God's creation also?

Why do Christians never comment on that? Why do they only focus homosexuality? 

The focus on that is because it is a pratice that makes the sinner a easy target for evil, there is something about these pratices that really make it hard for the person to love and understand God. That is why witches and occultists use homossexual sex in their rituals and enchantments.


But, about the food, sure, it is a sin as well:

With right behaviour as in the day; not in pleasure-making and drinking, not in bad company and unclean behaviour, not in fighting and envy. Romanos 13:13

Because for long enough, in times past, we have been living after the way of the Gentiles, given up to the desires of the flesh, to drinking and feasting and loose behaviour and unclean worship of images; 1 Pedro 4:3

But give attention to yourselves, for fear that your hearts become over-full of the pleasures of food and wine, and the cares of this life, and that day may come on you suddenly, and take you as in a net: Lucas 21:34

Envy, uncontrolled drinking and feasting, and such things: of which I give you word clearly, even as I did in the past, that they who do such things will have no part in the kingdom of God. Gálatas 5:21



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

o_O.Q on 30 June 2014
prayformojo said:
DarkWraith said:
prayformojo said:
DarkWraith said:
prayformojo said:

What is your opinion on the growing hypothesis that we may all be living inside of a super computer? I've seen that some of the leading minds in science have started leaning towards this idea and have begun primitive testing.

Personally, it fascinates me because if something like that were true, and science could actually prove that we were all created by an evolved being inside of a complex set of code, for the first time in human history, science and religion would blend together as one. 


my opinion is, if as described, that it is one of the most deplorable ideas ever conceived. to postulate that the universe is some form of computer simulation is absurd in the utmost respect. humans invented the device that is used to run reality? so essentially humans are contingent upon the device that they invented which is contingent upon them. sounds like a circle jerk of stupid.


With all due respect, that is some extremely narrow minded thinking. If Einstein had thought that way... goodness. It sounds to me that you're letting your beliefs or lack thereof, get in the way. In science, nothing is certain until proven otherwise. You can believe something but that doesn't make it so and visa versa. 

I believe in the pursuit of truth and knowledge. If that leads us to a creator, then so be it. If it lead us towards the opposite, so be it as well. 


? did you even read my comment? your response has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. put down the beer and think a little bit about what I said please. humans invented computers and software. so, how is it possible that reality is a computer simulation? it's barking mad. you clearly do not know much about einstein, his dogmatic fealty to hard determinism hindered his progress when he wasted countless time attempting to resolve heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

I'm open to anything that is justified, you seem to be open to absurdities. I have no respect for that, nor would I care for that person's respect.

 

It's the theory that there are universes within universes. The idea that a vastly more advanced and evolved life form created life within a computer, and we are that life. Sort of like The Sims or Spore or... other "God simulators" but obviously much more advanced. Naturally, the life evolves within the code and ends up developing their own computers and then the cycle continues.

 

It's not crazy when you think about it and some of the best minds in science are starting to go in that direction (look it up). 


I've felt for some time now that the universe and everything contained within is the result of a higher being going through a process similar to what we do when we dream

Because when you think about it when we dream and imagine things there's basically limitless potential with regards to what we come up with 

Now suppose we were far more powerful and had the ability to make our creations far more complex could that not result in something like the universe?

 

I suppose it may sound crazy but it's something I've been considering for a while I just mentioned it because what you posted sounds similar 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 30 June 2014
o_O.Q said:

Lol we that's quite ironic considering that Christianity was one of the tools used by the slavers in the first place to pacify the enslaved and also to justify the act of slavery in the first place 

 

You might want to research that 

 

Another interesting tidbit is that the bible does not abhor slavery 

This worst part of this argument is that few on either side are rational or even understand what these terms mean.

Fallacies and generalizations all over the place, its frankly disgusting, but don't mind me I'm just commenting.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger on 30 June 2014
o_O.Q said:

I've felt for some time now that the universe and everything contained within is the result of a higher being going through a process similar to what we do when we dream

Because when you think about it when we dream and imagine things there's basically limitless potential with regards to what we come up with 

Now suppose we were far more powerful and had the ability to make our creations far more complex could that not result in something like the universe?

 

I suppose it may sound crazy but it's something I've been considering for a while I just mentioned it because what you posted sounds similar 

That philosophical bullcrap is meaningless here, pardon my french.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

o_O.Q on 30 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
o_O.Q said:

Lol we that's quite ironic considering that Christianity was one of the tools used by the slavers in the first place to pacify the enslaved and also to justify the act of slavery in the first place 

 

You might want to research that 

 

Another interesting tidbit is that the bible does not abhor slavery 

This worst part of this argument is that few on either side are rational or even understand what these terms mean.

Fallacies and generalizations all over the place, its frankly disgusting, but don't mind me I'm just commenting.


Lol well I'm posting history whether you acknowledge it or not is up to you ultimately and yes I agree that it was quite disgusting 

 

There are various written accounts that corroborate what was done