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Do you think 3rd party should stop this laziness?

Yes, it pisses me off 297 71.91%
 
No, Wii U deserves piss poor ports 115 27.85%
 
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pokoko on 19 June 2014
padib said:
pokoko said:
Third parties had very little confidence in the Wii U coming in and even less now.

Have all the test products been totally fair? No, probably not, but I doubt it would have made much of a difference. Does anyone really think any of these games would have taken off had the ports been equal?

Regardless, it's up to Nintendo to change that. It's their machine. If they want third-parties, they can go out and support them. The templates are out there, it's not like what Sony and Microsoft do are secrets. Business is about creating mutually beneficial relationships and Nintendo has mostly ignored that through much of their history.

You reap what you sow.

If people are serious about Nintendo consoles having third-party support then stop bad-mouthing them and tell Nintendo to get off their asses and start paying attention to the larger picture. It's up to them to make the effort. If they don't want to do that, that's fine too, it's their company, they can do what they want. Make no mistake, though, it's Nintendo's responsibility either way.

If Sony and Microsoft can do it, so can Nintendo. Everything else is just an excuse.

It's really not up to Nintendo to sell 3rd party games...

Nintendo has sold their own games VERY well on their own consoles, here is the proof.

There is nothing wrong with the way Nintendo makes their own consoles, no matter what people judge. If Nintendo can sell games on their own consoles, then so can 3rd parties.

For example, if 3rd parties were as competitive on Nintendo consoles as they were on Playstation, the U's SW sales would total 100m at the moment, a very healthy 2nd year SW total.

Of course it's not.  If Nintendo doesn't want to form partnerships then that is thier option.

However, third parties are also not required to support Nintendo, especially when there are other console manufacturers out there who are willing to form business partnerships.  Most companies in most industries will tell you that working to create mutually lucrative alliances with other companies is a requirement.  Nintendo has gotten around that because of the history of their brand, coming from a time when they could dictate terms, but things have obviously changed.

It's a simple situation.  Microsoft and Sony try hard to build an environment where other publishers and developers can make a lot of money.  Nintendo does not.  The results speak for themselves.



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HoloDust on 19 June 2014
padib said:
pokoko said:

Of course it's not.  If Nintendo doesn't want to form partnerships then that is thier option.

However, third parties are also not required to support Nintendo, especially when there are other console manufacturers out there who are willing to form business partnerships.  Most companies in most industries will tell you that working to create mutually lucrative alliances with other companies is a requirement.  Nintendo has gotten around that because of the history of their brand, coming from a time when they could dictate terms, but things have obviously changed.

It's a simple situation.  Microsoft and Sony try hard to build an environment where other publishers and developers can make a lot of money.  Nintendo does not.  The results speak for themselves.

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd parties, so Nintendo doesn't need to form partnerships. Nintendo sold more 1st party games on Wii than the xbox sold in total.

It's up to 3rd parties to sell their own games, not Nintendo.

I gave you all the numbers you need to know, Nintendo sell games on their own consoles. If Nintendo can do it, so can 3rd parties.

They just don't know how, bottom line. Noone to blame but themselves.

MS and Sony have great relationship with 3rd parties, knowing what their users want and expect from them, and 3rd parties know they can rely on MS/Sony to provide user base and hardware for their games. It's called symbiosis.

Nintendo does not care for 3rd parties and their needs, so expecting 3rd parties to support or care for Nintendo by default is quite naive, to put it mildly.

Yet, you can very rarely see Nintendo fans questioning those Nintendo policies, but they still keep on complaining about 3rd parties and their support.



roboplato on 19 June 2014
padib said:
pokoko said:

Of course it's not.  If Nintendo doesn't want to form partnerships then that is thier option.

However, third parties are also not required to support Nintendo, especially when there are other console manufacturers out there who are willing to form business partnerships.  Most companies in most industries will tell you that working to create mutually lucrative alliances with other companies is a requirement.  Nintendo has gotten around that because of the history of their brand, coming from a time when they could dictate terms, but things have obviously changed.

It's a simple situation.  Microsoft and Sony try hard to build an environment where other publishers and developers can make a lot of money.  Nintendo does not.  The results speak for themselves.

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd parties, so Nintendo doesn't need to form partnerships. Nintendo sold more 1st party games on Wii than the xbox sold in total.

It's up to 3rd parties to sell their own games, not Nintendo.

I gave you all the numbers you need to know, Nintendo sell games on their own consoles. If Nintendo can do it, so can 3rd parties.

They just don't know how, bottom line. Noone to blame but themselves.

LOL you have no idea how this industry works, n64, GC, wii, and wiiu, all had bad third party support, wii was the only success, now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's.



amp316 on 19 June 2014

Instead companies should go all out like Namco Bandai did with Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and sell like 5 copies. That reminds me... I'm going to unlock some more stuff on that.



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roboplato on 19 June 2014
padib said:
roboplato said:

LOL you have no idea how this industry works, n64, GC, wii, and wiiu, all had bad third party support, wii was the only success, now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's.

Like the Vita, right?

Nintendo needs only itself, thank you very much.


the ps vita is a console? anyway the hand held market its on is about to crash and burn imo. but if you think nintendo only needs itself thats fine with me, but i think you will see sales say differently and history proves they already have.



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Ucell on 19 June 2014
padib said:
roboplato said:

LOL you have no idea how this industry works, n64, GC, wii, and wiiu, all had bad third party support, wii was the only success, now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's.

Like the Vita, right?

Nintendo needs only itself, thank you very much.

The Vita doesn't have third-party support. It doesn't have first-party support either. No point in comparing with PS consoles.

If Nintendo only needs itself, I guess you are one of those who think 20-30 million console sales are enough. But even that is looking unlikely.



Ucell on 19 June 2014
padib said:
Ucell said:

The Vita doesn't have third-party support. It doesn't have first-party support either. No point in comparing with PS consoles.

If Nintendo only needs itself, I guess you are one of those who think 20-30 million console sales are enough. But even that is looking unlikely.

All I'm saying is that Nintendo is capable of selling games on its systems. If Nintendo can do it, so can 3rd parties.

@Vita. All I was saying was that his statement was wrong -> "now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's."

Vita isn't a console, its a handheld. He was only talking about home consoles.

Nintendo games sell to mostly the same audience. But their consoles need a larger audience, one their games can't bring in. Its pretty obvious.



Ucell on 19 June 2014
padib said:
Ucell said:

Vita isn't a console, its a handheld. He was only talking about home consoles.

Nintendo games sell to mostly the same audience. But their consoles need a larger audience, one their games can't bring in. Its pretty obvious.

It's a console...

I don't care what he's talking about, his point applies to all consoles. My counterpoint is correct.

My main point was:

"Nintendo games sell to mostly the same audience. But their consoles need a larger audience, one their games can't bring in. Its pretty obvious."

The Vita isn't really a counterpoint to that because it has no third-party support. The PSP didn't have much either but it had tons of first-party games which made it sell along with a very few third-party games.

However PS home consoles always sell well and they have great third-party support. Nintendo home consoles haven't sold well since they lost third-party support except for the Wii.

That proves my point that Nintendo needs third-party support for their home consoles to sell well.



SocialistSlayer on 19 June 2014
Ucell said:
padib said:
roboplato said:

LOL you have no idea how this industry works, n64, GC, wii, and wiiu, all had bad third party support, wii was the only success, now compare that with playstation consoles which always had great support, they all sold over 80 million. Nintendo needs third party's.

Like the Vita, right?

Nintendo needs only itself, thank you very much.

The Vita doesn't have third-party support. It doesn't have first-party support either. No point in comparing with PS consoles.

If Nintendo only needs itself, I guess you are one of those who think 20-30 15 million console sales are enough. But even that is looking unlikely.

fixed.

i find it funny how nintendo fans act as if 3rd parties owe something to nintendo. They dont, nintendo doesnt reach out to them and incentivize. Nintendo has dreadful 3rd party relations, and they are showing no signs of trying to rectify that. 3rd partys in in business to make money, and nintendo doesnt make an invironment to cultivate making money.

and then nintendo fans get angry when 3rd party support dwindles, and state dumb things like they dont need 3rd party, they can survive on 1st party alone. Thats the point ninty fans only care about ninty games, which is why 3rd partys stop even trying. the market isnt there. and ninty will be relagated to ~15million console sales, and ~75% of the games sold will be nintendo.

if you think nintendo can survive in the console market like that, then good, because thats all they are going to have going for them.



 

bigtakilla on 19 June 2014

We should just change this to "Nintendo, buy Capcom already".