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Digital is the future of the industry?

I have to agree 97 27.79%
 
Not for a while 146 41.83%
 
Not sure yet 22 6.30%
 
Why mandatory!! 84 24.07%
 
Total:349
baloofarsan said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
baloofarsan said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

 

Servers - not every game uses dedicated servers and of the ones which do, those servers are not always provided by Sony or MS. In cases where they are supporting their own games with servers, you are paying a price to access those servers when you buy the game. It also means if you want to rent your own server for a game like BF, you have to pay twice which is silly.

Her is some real world costs for servers: 

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3832058.ece

Sorry but it is swedish but here is a translation:

The Facebook serverhall  in Sweden uses 1 TWh electricty annualy. That is roughly 1% of Swedens total electricity consumption.

This has to be paid, so even if you think facebook is free, they make money on us, as a collective, in many ways - mainly ads!


XBL or PSN doesnt have as many users as Facebook and nor do they hold as much information about us.

The bulk of the information about us is held by 3rd parties like EA's battlelog, or on twitch's servers. Yes we have cloud upload which is 1gb on PSN I believe, but thats nothing. Companies were providing 1gb cloud storage for free like over 5 years ago.... and im pretty sure they were not selling peoples uploaded files for cash. They were profiting from services which they provided as OPTIONAL extra's.

The services which PSN and XBL are offering are as basic as they come. If they want to charge extra for something like 50gb cloud storage then fine, but all im saying is what they are offering right now doesnt justify the fee, yet we are forced into it because people supported it.

Anyway, its starting to go off topic so this will be my last comment about this issue. May I just add that I will continue subscribing to PS+ because the games make it worth it, nothing else.



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Digital can be the future and the best option, but users can't be forced, the only acceptable way is luring them with additional benefits and savings, and no big company can completely give up physical and offline, unless they like to give up a chunk of potential market that currently is majority (maybe people with a connection are already the majority, but those that can enjoy a connection reliable and fast enough most of the time are still a minority), but even when it will be minority it still will be huge for decennia.



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fps_d0minat0r said:
baloofarsan said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
baloofarsan said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

 

Servers - not every game uses dedicated servers and of the ones which do, those servers are not always provided by Sony or MS. In cases where they are supporting their own games with servers, you are paying a price to access those servers when you buy the game. It also means if you want to rent your own server for a game like BF, you have to pay twice which is silly.

Her is some real world costs for servers: 

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3832058.ece

Sorry but it is swedish but here is a translation:

The Facebook serverhall  in Sweden uses 1 TWh electricty annualy. That is roughly 1% of Swedens total electricity consumption.

This has to be paid, so even if you think facebook is free, they make money on us, as a collective, in many ways - mainly ads!


XBL or PSN doesnt have as many users as Facebook and nor do they hold as much information about us.

The bulk of the information about us is held by 3rd parties like EA's battlelog, or on twitch's servers. Yes we have cloud upload which is 1gb on PSN I believe, but thats nothing. Companies were providing 1gb cloud storage for free like over 5 years ago.... and im pretty sure they were not selling peoples uploaded files for cash. They were profiting from services which they provided as OPTIONAL extra's.

The services which PSN and XBL are offering are as basic as they come. If they want to charge extra for something like 50gb cloud storage then fine, but all im saying is what they are offering right now doesnt justify the fee, yet we are forced into it because people supported it.

Anyway, its starting to go off topic so this will be my last comment about this issue. May I just add that I will continue subscribing to PS+ because the games make it worth it, nothing else.

Yes, I agree it has gotten a little bit off topic. Anyway thanks for the discussion. Hope there are no hard feelings.



The world has moved to digital for audio and moving incredibly fast to digital for video. Digital is the future for games and for my family we are already there. We havent bought one physical disk for our X1 yet and have no intention to do so ever. Unfortunately we had a portion of the video game market that treats gaming as a political event and waited to jump on who they are against and paint a very bad picture of the X1 original vision without giving any time for explanation of a topic that cant be easily explained with a tweet or short video.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

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"Digital isn't the future until Sony does it."

Be honest. that's what some of you feel.

Anyway, from my reading of this he's saying that they should've given more of a choice between their original direction and what it is now. A choice. When a choice is presented, WHY do you people complain about the option you wouldn't choose? I thought the whole point of a choice is to to not force a change on those that do not want it?



I get it if you have bandwidth caps or sketchy/no internet, but as someone who has the box always connected and whose internet goes out maybe once a year for a couple hours, I would greatly prefer the original vision.

Once you go digital, it's hard to go back. All of my long-term games are bought digitally now. The only time I buy physical is if the deal is significantly cheaper or I know I'm playing the campaign for a week and never touching it again, but I would go total digital if need be.

There's just no comparison. I end up playing games longer/more frequently on my Xbox when I don't have to swap discs. Just say "Xbox: Go to Titanfall" or whatever and you're off and playing. If they could somehow not require my physical disc to be in the tray, we could talk. I wouldn't want to switch stuff on my PC either, so I don't know why I'd want to do it on my console.

I legitimately hate getting up and putting in discs now, as I'm spoiled and lazy. It's like not having voice commands. I could never go back to having to light up my controller and physically go around the console menus again. If you made me give up my kinect/voice control form anywhere in the room, I'd cut someone at this point. I think MS had it right, other than being able to afford 10-15% more oomph to the grpahics/CPU/whatever. People just don't like change and they like getting caught up in the hype storms. We sold our PS4 because we weren't using it more than 25% of the time (though we will likely get one again once holiday 2015 rolls around and there's more reasons to own both). The One was getting all the play time because of the "other stuff" associated with it (and Titanfall addiction), and now we're planning on buying another One for Destiny and Halo: MCC so we can play together.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

dharh said:
baloofarsan said:

For films people use Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and maybe µTorrent. The Blu-Ray is not the future!
For music people use iTunes, Spotify. The CD is not the future!
For messaging people use Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Letters are not the future!
For casual gaming people use Smartphones, iPads with downloadable content. DVDs are not the future!
For "real" gaming the high-tech core gamers use .....
.....Steam, GOG. Blu-ray is not the future!


For console gaming......

.....Blu-ray IS the future?


I dunno about whatever formats you talking about but... is broadband the future? I can't even get a decent 2 mbs connection at this point. Donwloading an indie games SUCKS at this point, lets not mention a real game with 6-36 GB of assets. Gaming, real gaming, is still absolutely dependant on physical gaming.

True story.  I still think there's ways around this.  Cut a slice of the pie for Wal-Mart, Target, GameStop etc. to have download centers and throw it on a removable hard drive.  Sell physical discs that have one-time install and then they are useless, or use codes to activate the data like you do when you have a code to buy the digital copy.  But then the game lives on your hard drive/cloud (if needed to redownload), and go from there.  

There could be creative ways to get around this AND still keep brick-and-mortar retail in the loop.  



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?