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This may sound a bit one sided but I am gonna try and stay factual.  I am open to you shutting my fat mouth up as long as you can do so in a calm manner.

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Before I get flamed for dissing Sony, let me even it out by dissing the other 2 systems first.  Skip this part if you are a skimmer.

 

Wii - In a recent study it was found that Xbox and the Wii were practically identical graphics wise.  Wii was just a little bit better though.  In an interview with one of the Nintendo heads it was stated that the reason Devs are hesitant to dev for the Wii is because of Nintendo's dominance, while that may not surprise anyone.  Nintendo's response was that this is because usually Nintendo gets stuck with a developers third or fourth string developers.  So in actuallity most Wii third party games are gonna be trash filler games.  Not to say there all bad.  

 

Xbox 360 - Microsoft has consitently said that the failure rate for the Red Ring of Death is around 5%.  Well there are businesses that are reporting that it's closer to 50%.  One business that ordered 300 systems had half of them get the Red Ring of Death.  Google "360 Failure Rates" to see for  yourself.  

 

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My problem with Sony's PS3 is that with development of these huge powerful consoles the idea of taking risks in a company shrinks.  The way I see it, we all want to have the best graphics and speed and all that right now, and everyone wants to get ahead so badly that they are willing to ignore the pitfalls of making a jump like Sony is. 

 

As many of you know the PS3 uses an 8 core processor, which brings Development costs through the roof.   The high end 360 game costs 15 million to make, and the high end PS3 game costs 25-30 million to make.  So right now in the PS3's market, if a game isn't a smash hit a company will pretty much be screwed big time.  With the PS3 sales in the toilet right now companies are taking almost no risk at all with the games that they are producing for it.  Creating such games as Lair, Killzone 2, MGS4, and FF13.  Those are 4 of PS3's unreleased third party exclusives with massive development costs.  Can we guarantee ourselves that these games will be hits?  If they aren't would that make developers shrink our current pallete of gaming?  

 

Take for instance Katamari Damacy.  Would that game have ever come out on a system like the PS3.  It was a risk that Sony took and it payed off.   Dev costs weren't that high afterall.  The PS2 was the weakest system of the 3.  (although Sony is notorious for making awful dev packages).  

 

Please tell me I am wrong, is Sony's PS3 gonna skew the pallete of games to only the "safe bets"?  Are safe bets a good thing or a bad thing by your standards? 

 

 



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Whilst I am a fan of Nintendo games I'd like all 3 consoles to have an equal share of the market. It can only be good for game development if more companies can make more games instead of the same big companies churning out safe remakes and sequals. More profit from developing games more cheaply on the Wii whilst also making money on current franchises surely means they willl have more money to come up with new ideas on all the consoles.



I think... Sony can come out with a new system and rival 360(cheap cost with decent graphics) and wii(innovative controller). The current PS3 can be kept for the next gen as a PS4. lol!! thats how power pack the current PS3 is. It is so powerful that... it doesnt seem feasible for current developers.

 I shall go open a safe deposit box to keep my PS3.



Basically they had to release PS3 or they would have been put in a big hole behind a 2 year head start of 360 and 1 year from Wii. It would have been convenient to delay it a year, make it cheaper, and rake in cash from PS2 but that would have put them in a big hole.



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Sony has won with the PS1, and PS2, they are over there heads in with the PS3. Microsoft and Nintendo turned up at E3 with facts and real in-game demos. no fakes, no lies. and they delivered on that promise. and thats all I'm going to say, when you don't deliver on promise, and you over sell your products, this is the result of how things can turn for you. Sony are losing their market share faster than they got it...whats happening now with developers moving titles over to the Xbox 360 because of its bigger user base, it nobody fault but Sony's. its nothing that we have to answer for. its not out fault the PS3 wasn't up to what its was suppose to be.



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DarkD said:

This may sound a bit one sided but I am gonna try and stay factual. I am open to you shutting my fat mouth up as long as you can do so in a calm manner.

---------------------------------

Before I get flamed for dissing Sony, let me even it out by dissing the other 2 systems first. Skip this part if you are a skimmer.

 

Wii - In a recent study it was found that Xbox and the Wii were practically identical graphics wise. Wii was just a little bit better though. In an interview with one of the Nintendo heads it was stated that the reason Devs are hesitant to dev for the Wii is because of Nintendo's dominance, while that may not surprise anyone. Nintendo's response was that this is because usually Nintendo gets stuck with a developers third or fourth string developers. So in actuallity most Wii third party games are gonna be trash filler games. Not to say there all bad.

 

Xbox 360 - Microsoft has consitently said that the failure rate for the Red Ring of Death is around 5%. Well there are businesses that are reporting that it's closer to 50%. One business that ordered 300 systems had half of them get the Red Ring of Death. Google "360 Failure Rates" to see for yourself.

 

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Start reading here for the skippers.

 

My problem with Sony's PS3 is that with development of these huge powerful consoles the idea of taking risks in a company shrinks. The way I see it, we all want to have the best graphics and speed and all that right now, and everyone wants to get ahead so badly that they are willing to ignore the pitfalls of making a jump like Sony is.

 

As many of you know the PS3 uses an 8 core processor, which brings Development costs through the roof. The high end 360 game costs 15 million to make, and the high end PS3 game costs 25-30 million to make. So right now in the PS3's market, if a game isn't a smash hit a company will pretty much be screwed big time. With the PS3 sales in the toilet right now companies are taking almost no risk at all with the games that they are producing for it. Creating such games as Lair, Killzone 2, MGS4, and FF13. Those are 4 of PS3's unreleased third party exclusives with massive development costs. Can we guarantee ourselves that these games will be hits? If they aren't would that make developers shrink our current pallete of gaming?

 

Take for instance Katamari Damacy. Would that game have ever come out on a system like the PS3. It was a risk that Sony took and it payed off. Dev costs weren't that high afterall. The PS2 was the weakest system of the 3. (although Sony is notorious for making awful dev packages).

 

Please tell me I am wrong, is Sony's PS3 gonna skew the pallete of games to only the "safe bets"? Are safe bets a good thing or a bad thing by your standards?

 

 


 If it's bold, your either wrong, your it's rumor.

Let's start from the top.

Wii has better graphics than the x-box. I havent seen it yet.

I've never once heard 50% failure rate for a 360.

multi-core games dont skyrocket the cost through the roof, most of a game budget is art, always has, always will.

If a high end PS2 game cost 35million... how the HELL can a high-end 360 game cost 15million?

If a high end PS2 game cost 35million... Why the hell would a high end PS3 game only cost 35million?

You dont have to release a billion dollar game to sell it on the PS3. Flow, Calling all Cars, Super Rub a Dub, and quite a few other low budget 'online' games, can be bought off the internet, no need to even invest the millions to get it printed. The size of the budget is up the the studio making the game. Some PS3 games cost well under a million. Some will cost over 50million before it's over I'm sure.

Lair and Killzone2 are both 2nd party. the IP is owned by Sony, and being made by 3rd part. The studio making the game needs not worry about the games success. They are 2nd party, not 3rd.

Above, the game would have come to the PS3. Possibly a downloadable game, possibly not. It's up to the devoloper. Any games are welcome. low budget, monster budget, their all on the PS3. Also, Sony has NOTHING to do with katamari... ***NOTHING***

Sony's Horrible dev packages are 2nd only to microsoft their so horrible, and microsoft spends millions and millions and millions giving out dev packs, classes, and seminars on how to program for their consoles... (bribeing the studios)

Well, I doubt anything will chanage. Safe bets? I dont know if flow turned a profit or not, but I assure you, flow is a MUCH lower budget game than probibally any game on the Wii. Lair, Heavenly Sword, God of War 3, Killzone2, White Knight... none of them are safe bets, not a single one of them. I'd say the PS3 is more encouraging RISK, than safe bets. 



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Truthsayer said:
I want the ps3 to be a complete failure!

 and your an xbot or nini... nice.. troll

 

anyways, Id rather see Sony pull a win off in the end of this.  I have no idea if they can or not but I'd love to see it. Sony is pissing the fanboys from the other camps because they realized that Sony is living up to their promises this time around. The might have shown CG Motorstorm in 2005 but now the game is released and its 95% of what was shown and that annoys the rival camps. 



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ssj12 said:
Truthsayer said:
I want the ps3 to be a complete failure!

and your an xbot or nini... nice.. troll

 

anyways, Id rather see Sony pull a win off in the end of this. I have no idea if they can or not but I'd love to see it. Sony is pissing the fanboys from the other camps because they realized that Sony is living up to their promises this time around. The might have shown CG Motorstorm in 2005 but now the game is released and its 95% of what was shown and that annoys the rival camps.


oh come on, it is common knowledge people always go for the underdog(s), so why aren't you.
It doesn't make any sense you would 'rather see sony pull a win off in the end of this', it just doesn't okay, they have won 2 generations, now let someone else win, geez.

Edit : this is actually focused towards all pro-sony people, not only you.



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