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Experimental42 on 04 June 2014

Yes but there's such a thing as buyer's remorse, ignorance, and pride.



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axt113 on 04 June 2014
Experimental42 said:
Yes but there's such a thing as buyer's remorse, ignorance, and pride.


Yeah, but that has an effect on sales, both now and in the future

Both as a result of bad word of mouth and poor reviews, as well as consumers not buying from you in the future, and it can result in returns or resales that affect your overall sales and profits (used game sales are something that game publishers are concerned about)



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chakkra on 04 June 2014

Well, I would go even further. I think MK8 is the first game on the Wii U that could not run on the PS360 with the same quality , so that makes it the first game on the Wii U that makes it feel like a new generation platform. It is exactly the flagship tittle the console needed from the begining. I think if Nintendo had released this game in the first six months of the console's life, things would have been much different today.

IMO instead of investing (or wasting) time in MSBU and MSLU they should had focus on this game first.



cusman on 04 June 2014

No

During Christmas it was over shadowed by new console launches by both Sony and Microsoft.

Remember: Super Mario 3D World is the best game Nintendo has ever made, and it released Christmas and didn't make any different to the Wii U's poor fortune.



axt113 on 04 June 2014
cusman said:

No

During Christmas it was over shadowed by new console launches by both Sony and Microsoft.

Remember: Super Mario 3D World is the best game Nintendo has ever made, and it released Christmas and didn't make any different to the Wii U's poor fortune.


In What way is SM3DW the best game nintendo has ever made?

 



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Twilord on 04 June 2014
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 


Your argument still says that he's the best musician available on Youtube: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/justin-bieber-breaks-youtube-record-3-billion-views_n_2009900.html

As for Twilight - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2009-08-03-twilight-series_N.htm

 

And you've done nothing to clear Okami of being defined, by your horrific reasoning, as worse than game like Wii-Music.

 

Maybe you should actually play through the game your bashing so I don't have to waste any more energy on this



Pavolink on 05 June 2014

Completly agree. 3DWorld should have been a launch title at best alongside Nintendo Land with MK8 for last christmas. This weekend should have been released SSBU.



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kekrot on 05 June 2014
Majora said:
3D World couldn't have been further from disappointing.


Sales disagree. Most reviews, however, agree which I don't understand. 3D World feels more like the early SNES beta for what would become SM64. There's a reason they scrapped it back then. I still don't know how they wanted to choose a so lifeless route.

 

sorry, I haven't come over the disappointment of 3D World yet. 



Yep.

Experimental42 on 05 June 2014

Myself and most of the people to play 3D world thought it was amazing, so if you think it was a disappointment as a game instead of a sales unit, it may just be you have different tastes instead of the game being a disappointment. The game looks better then most of the games out this generation, controls extremely well, has several levels of difficulty, has amazing local multiplayer (Which is one of the 2 sole reasons to own a console instead of a PC now), brings back good power ups in a 3D environment while adding a couple new ones that are awesome, and brings back good forms of character differentiation.


Honestly, I don't see the WII U being eclipsed by a home console in Japan until the next FF or KH game comes around, and even then only Sony will top it. Neither PS4 or Xbone offers anything that looks to appeal to Japanese gamers, while Nintendo has Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, and SSB lined up.

Hell, I'd be surprised if Xbone ever consistently outsells Wii U again, what with Sony choking it to death while whispering "Shhhh just let the darkness take you..." in its metaphorical ear.



axt113 on 07 June 2014
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 


Your argument still says that he's the best musician available on Youtube: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/justin-bieber-breaks-youtube-record-3-billion-views_n_2009900.html

As for Twilight - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2009-08-03-twilight-series_N.htm

 

And you've done nothing to clear Okami of being defined, by your horrific reasoning, as worse than game like Wii-Music.

 

Maybe you should actually play through the game your bashing so I don't have to waste any more energy on this


Youtube views are free, no sales, so its irrelevant

That was back in 2009 when Twilight had such listings, and yet today its still is far behind many other books and book series in total sales.

So my point still stands :D

Okami was not  able to move consoles or garner any momentum, just because it had an interesting art style doesn't make it a great game



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea