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drkohler said:
RolStoppable said:
Attendance levels are outpacing those of Austria. Fantastic

I think you have a serious lack of knowledge here.

Spain is currently the leading football nation in Europe. Its top league has 20 teams, and more than half of those teams would be more than happy to have an 18k attendance figure per match. Most Spanish teams are essentially broke and only survive on (kind of institutionalised) trickery. The US is a particular case for football (the real football, not handegg). I discussed that way back around 1978 with a group of US teachers (who all actually knew "how soccer works" then) and it boils down to one thing only we all agreed: Soccer was not brutal/violent enough for the average American. Football: muscle packed steroid homunculi crashing into each other = good, bloody, lotsa cash. Soccer: lean and quick people running after a ball = boring, no blood, no cash. That has changed over the years, particularly due to two facts. Firstly, the rise of women's soccer (which is a commercial money loser anywhere in the world) where the US actually is the leading nation. Secondly, soccer introduced into the US school system, which allowed everyone to participate, not only the ones with the most steroids on hand. US soccer suffered a lot because despite being highly popular for younger people, at the end of the day there was no future for a professional career. US soccer had to survive a lengthy period going from "boring, no blood, no cash" to "hmm.. interesting after all".


That is a silly arguement.

Baseball is the "American Past time" and it's less violent the soccer.  

Basketball also is more popular a(Then both baseball and soccer) and argueably less violent. 

 

And Soccer has been in schools and of interest to kids pretty much forever.   Most kids play in soccer leagues as a kid, it's just something most americans grow out of and move into baseball and basketball when they get older.

 

 

If anything... Football is popular because in highschool it's seen as a social activity and one of status.

Cast a movie set at a Highschool and if you fill in "Most popular kid in school" most people are going to cast him as Quarterback of the Highschool football team.

 

That and Fantasy Football.

 

American's don't like soccer... because we don't like soccer.

We had our own sports, and we had money.

 

Which actually is one of Soccer's biggest advantages as a sport.   You don't need money to play it, just a ball and some trash cans really.

 

 

Hell, Canada also isn't exactly the biggest soccer market out there.  Is it because the canadians are too violent?

The USA isn't as alone in this as you'd think.

Canada, Austrlia, New Zealand and Ireland all have sports more popular then Soccer.   Coincidentally in pretty much all cases including their own codified rules of football.

 

Which isn't THAT surprising considering that "football" didn't actually have set rules for the longest time, "Assosiation Football" or Soccer as it was originally called by the brits, only became the dominant form that took claim to the name of football soley only after football has spread everywhere, be it American Football, Canadian Football, Galic Football, Rugby Football or New Zealand style Rugby Footballl.



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oldschoolfool said:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2013/11/08/after-flirting-with-failure-major-league-soccer-popularity-now-surging/ -----link. this article is an interesting read and it throws alot of stats at you. I want people 2 read this article and see what people think. It'll never catch the other big sports in america,but it's gaining popularity and the article mentions that the MLS has actually expanded and grown some. It also mentions that attendance is on the rise. please respond,after you read the article. I'm really interested 2 know what people think about this,as I'm a sports fan.


As someone who has followed the domestic league for over a decade and attended well over a hundred matches for my club DC United be happy to answer questions people may have.

MLS favored a slow and steady approach to growth of the sport which has served it well.  Clubs now have own stadiums for the most part and can control revenue allowing for more ambitious signings and building of academys.  Too many people think sport is a digital switch that people "get", it is not, it is a gradual analog process.

Cultural shifts happen, but they take time.  Right now a sea change is occuring. Young people in their 20s and 30s are MLS primary audience as we grew up with the sport.   This is why Fox and ESPN just spent a lot of money to cover the league for the next 7 years, they see it is on the rise.

In 1994 vast majority of Americans did not even know the rules of the sport, it would be night and day if in 2026 hosted again.



Oh and as for actually watching Soccer. I'll pass on MLS games.

It's the premier league for me. I want to watch the best teams I can in english.



vivster said:
I guess if the US would put their mind to it they could be one of the leading football nations.


I heard this before...

Is there any team sports that America is always in the top 5 of the world that is actually played by Europeans / Asians?
Basketball, handegg, Baseball are pretty much US only.





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I find that one reason why "soccer" is not popular is its scarcity of statistics.
Other than watching sports, Americans enjoy discussing stats, love to keep track of numerous achievements in running, jumping, hitting etc... This caused Fantasy sports to he very popular.
Baseball has an amazing number of trackable stats, US football and basketball as well. And especialoy stats on individual athletes, not on a team in general.
Soccer, on the other hand, doesn't. Following soccer player's efficiency requires much more beyond stats, and the stats themselves cannot accurately pinpoint all aspects of the game.
(NOTE: Of course, I am not duscussing actual gameplay, only the interest in "Monday morning quaterbacking" by the water cooler.



Kasz216 said:
Oh and as for actually watching Soccer. I'll pass on MLS games.

It's the premier league for me. I want to watch the best teams I can in english.


Sorry you feel that way. Nothing beats the sport live singing with fellow supporters and be happy to have newcomers along.

I've been to Saint James, Old Trafford, White Hart Lane, Anfield and others.  It's nice, but it is not mine and to me the sport is about community and my friends in DU and BB. 



DirtyP2002 said:
vivster said:
I guess if the US would put their mind to it they could be one of the leading football nations.


I heard this before...

Is there any team sports that America is always in the top 5 of the world that is actually played by Europeans / Asians?
Basketball, handegg, Baseball are pretty much US only.



There is hockey.  I'm pretty sure that Europeans play that....

And I'm pretty sure that baseball is pretty huge in Japan.



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DirtyP2002 said:
vivster said:
I guess if the US would put their mind to it they could be one of the leading football nations.


I heard this before...

Is there any team sports that America is always in the top 5 of the world that is actually played by Europeans / Asians?
Basketball, handegg, Baseball are pretty much US only.



I notice very often that people ate misinformed about basketball. It is the 2nd most popular sport in most of Europe, except for Scandinavia, I guess.

And many EU nations, along with Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand and China are very competitive. We can see that in the growing number of foreign players in the NBA. But, of course, USA is still dominant, as it invests much much more in youth basketball programs, and has a large population to draw the talent from.

Soccer can slowly become on par, with larger investments blocked off by current lack of commercial potential on par with the Big Three, and lack of experts.

US national team achieved its greatest successes when led by foreign experts like Serbian Bora Milutinovic, who was at the time in Top 5 of world's coaches.

I still can't gauge Klinsmann's quality, but USA is a wild card in every World Cup, and will probably stir some trouboe in the group stage. 

Oh, and I believe MLS should build a monument to David Beckham. 



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