Yep, despite drawing three games in a row you guys played relatively well. It looks like City have gained the most from the collapses of Liverpool and Arsenal. 

I see these comments alot but why are they the biggest joke exactly? I know the inconsistency and lack of fighting mentality but all top teams excluding Chelsea and Spurs have struggled for a while. And both those teams messed up last season and Spurs bottled CL.

@mZuzek I think Klopp needs more time adapting to Premier League. I'd gladly see him replacing Wenger, we could use that furious German elegancy 😁

Becuase they've bottled it and failed in the same way consecutively since 2006. The club has been such a joke over the past couple of years that half of the fans are fine with a top 4 finish. 

As long as they have Wenger as a coach they will always remain a joke

"As long as they have Wenger as a coach they will always remain a joke"

What he said was spot on, you can't find any other big club which kept a manager as long as Arsenal did without winning the league. 

So is it somehow less of a joke to change manager all the time and still not win the league? 😊 And no, I don't think Liverpool is a joke. Just wondering.

At least Liverpool tries and has ambition. Arsenal's ownership is completely content with the mockery of results that Wenger pulls off year after year. Every season at the start the fans and players proclaim it's "arsenal's season", at some point they start to do well, then comes Jan/Feb and their season falls flat out on their faces. And yet the management is happy, the fans claim Wenger is a legend, and the players say next year will be better. This has been going on for around 13 years now. 

Last season Lester won the title, every major team had a coach change. I know Lester deserved the title, but let's be honest if their was any major competition from a big team that was actually performing well they would have lost. Chesleas season last year was a disaster, as well as Man utd, City's form was one of the worse in years, specially after guardiola was announced to be coming in the following season. Liverpool had a manager change mid season and it was already too late. Arsenal, based on what the media and fans both say, had their best squad in years. Only to end up 10 points behind Lester. And yet Wenger is still in charge. 

Let's put it this way, if Liverpool was to change the coach now I'd say I would be the opposite of ambition. I think they need a long term plan and Klopp should be given more time. Maybe not 13 years lol but Arsene most definitely is a legend. I still think he has the ambition to win again and you pretty much described that ambition in your post. It just hasn't been working and it won't. I still remember those glory days and I love his football philosophy so part of me wants him to stay and part of me wants him gone. I do expect him to leave after this season though.

So what was my point again? Oh, yeah, signing managers and hot players left and right all the time with no long term vision isn't really any more ambitious imo.

Why would Liverpool change coach? Despite their recent form Liverpool is doing better then expected. They are currently at their 2nd best position since the last 8 seasons. 

Arsene doesn't have ambition nor long term vision. When Arsenal weren't spending anything on the transfer market he and others pointed out to all of their young signings saying that they would be the stars of tomorrow. Walcot, Ramsey,Wilishire, Ox, Gibbs, and many other players with potential failed to become title winning quality and some have actually regressed. Then the likes of Nasri, Fabregas, Van Persie, Song, Clichy, Adebayor and others which have devloped a lot under Wenger got sold with supbar replacements. 

If Wenger had the ambition Arsenal woudn't have Giroud as their number one striker, and they would have not had the likes of Almunia in goal for so many years. 

People aren't expecting the change of a manager and a couple of signings to make them win the league straight away, but it is a move in the right direction. Arsenal's current "long term strategy" is to buy players good enough to just get top 4 and to sell whatever young talent it has when it develops. Which is why Bellerin will go to Barcalona in the next two years. 

I do agree on is that Wenger doesn't have a long-time strategy atm or if there is one it's with a new manager. He had a strategy but it failed to win. I don't know why, I think his tactics and even the players should be enough for proper title challenge imo but it just isn't happening. But like I said, I would be surprised if he stays longer.