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Gignac is great. Giroud? not so much.



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RolStoppable said:
Scisca said:

Yes, that reason is money.

I don't think immigrants should play for national teams, this kills the whole purpose of national competition and I'm happy we have none on our team. But I'm against the process of destroying nations that's taking place in Europe in general.

I mean, look at this. I understand there is global warming, but this is just wrong.

Well, the thing is that France used to have many colonies once upon a time, so African countries were a part of France. The French language was made official in those countries, so the black people who moved to Europe went to France first and foremost. If an African country belonged to France, it technically is France. And when children of the black people who moved to Europe were born in France, how could they be anything other than French? All that's left as a counter-argument is to be a racist.

You can also look at this situation from another angle. If black people are so bad, then European countries shouldn't have brought African countries under their government. This means that the root cause for having so many black people in Europe is Europe itself. It means that what you don't like is the fault of white people. But I don't think when you say "this is just wrong" that you are putting any blame on white people.

You are of course right about the colonies, but the problem is when you encourage allowing foreign born players instead of trying to restrict it.

And of course it's the fault of white people. It's wrong and it's the white Europeans who are doing it wrong.

It's got nothing to do with racism. I love all African teams playing in the World Cup, and I hate when European teams are importing players from neighboring countries. A good example, often the teams from the British Isleas don't feel genuine because there's such a mix of people between Wasles, England, Ireland and whatnot.



Ka-pi96 said:
Scisca said:

I know the historical reasons, but still think this is humiliating, when you get teams with only 2-3 players who genuinely represent their nation. I wouldn't mind if it was one or two guys here or there, like you have in Italy for example. But when you barely have someone from your nation on the team? That's ridiculous. And don't pull that bullshit racism card. I'm complaining about black players and Arabs playing in European teams just like I'm complaining about half of Austrian team consisting of Yugoslavian players. It's not about race, it's about nation. It just happens so, that European nations are nations of white people, but by no means am I limiting this rant just to different races

PS. Don't generalize, not all white nations were involved in colonization and slavery, so putting the blame for that on all white people is unjustified.

PPS. GO IRELAND!! Take yet another favourite down.

Well that's the problem. Not all people think that way.

Make Europe Great Again...



Slimebeast said:
RolStoppable said:

Well, the thing is that France used to have many colonies once upon a time, so African countries were a part of France. The French language was made official in those countries, so the black people who moved to Europe went to France first and foremost. If an African country belonged to France, it technically is France. And when children of the black people who moved to Europe were born in France, how could they be anything other than French? All that's left as a counter-argument is to be a racist.

You can also look at this situation from another angle. If black people are so bad, then European countries shouldn't have brought African countries under their government. This means that the root cause for having so many black people in Europe is Europe itself. It means that what you don't like is the fault of white people. But I don't think when you say "this is just wrong" that you are putting any blame on white people.

You are of course right about the colonies, but the problem is when you encourage allowing foreign born players instead of trying to restrict it.

And of course it's the fault of white people. It's wrong and it's the white Europeans who are doing it wrong.

So you think Marcel Desailly that went to France when he was 3 years old shouldn't have played for France? You want them to create second class citizens?



Goatseye said:
Slimebeast said:

You are of course right about the colonies, but the problem is when you encourage allowing foreign born players instead of trying to restrict it.

And of course it's the fault of white people. It's wrong and it's the white Europeans who are doing it wrong.

So you think Marcel Desailly that went to France when he was 3 years old shouldn't have played for France? You want them to create second class citizens?

With the French team, yes, because they always end up with this "foreign legion" they should have a rule that you have to be born in France.

I think there are some national teams in the world that still follow that rule.



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Slimebeast said:
Goatseye said:

So you think Marcel Desailly that went to France when he was 3 years old shouldn't have played for France? You want them to create second class citizens?

With the French team, yes, because they always end up with this "foreign legion" they should have a rule that you have to be born in France.

I think there are some national teams in the world that still follow that rule.

How can citizens be "foreign"? Explain that.



Slimebeast said:

With the French team, yes, because they always end up with this "foreign legion" they should have a rule that you have to be born in France.

I think there are some national teams in the world that still follow that rule.

Who were the members of this "foreign legion" you speak of in the French team that played today?



Goatseye said:
Slimebeast said:

With the French team, yes, because they always end up with this "foreign legion" they should have a rule that you have to be born in France.

I think there are some national teams in the world that still follow that rule.

How can citizens be "foreign"? Explain that.

Could you stop with the rhetorics?

I just told you that France should have a rule that you have to be born in France. Citizenship is just a stamp on a paper.

Even the guys who are born in France but who's parents are immigrants, I don't see them as French. Maybe in a couple of generations their offspring will bee French, but now they aren't.

Xhaka in the Swiss team said he would refuse to score a goal against Albania. "I feel completely Albanian". Even though he was born in Switzerland. And it's similar with many other immigrants and their children, it takes a long time before they feel like they become nationals of their new country.

So foreign legion is a perfect term (unfortunately I think it was Marien LePen who coined it).



Player2 said:
Slimebeast said:

With the French team, yes, because they always end up with this "foreign legion" they should have a rule that you have to be born in France.

I think there are some national teams in the world that still follow that rule.

Who were the members of this "foreign legion" you speak of in the French team that played today?

You know very well who they are.



RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

You are of course right about the colonies, but the problem is when you encourage allowing foreign born players instead of trying to restrict it.

And of course it's the fault of white people. It's wrong and it's the white Europeans who are doing it wrong.

It's got nothing to do with racism. I love all African teams playing in the World Cup, and I hate when European teams are importing players from neighboring countries. A good example, often the teams from the British Isleas don't feel genuine because there's such a mix of people between Wasles, England, Ireland and whatnot.

A good example?

It doesn't feel like a Welsh team if nearly half the players were brought up in England.