All of these pro-gun semantics are nice and dandy. But the fact of the matter is, guns merely existing, makes it a hell of a lot easier to any Joe Schmoe to kill anyone else. And guns that hold more bullets? Make it that much easier to kill that many more people at once. Period.

That is not arguable. Those are facts about guns. The only arguments happening over this subject (for the last many years) are semantics.

I'd take the opposite bet with "spree" killers such as this case. Most are usually not recognized as criminals till the deed is done so they fit into the definition of "legal gun owners" till then. This wasn't some ex-con who would've had trouble buying a gun legally. Ironically, it's also the reason why stricter law are unlikely to do squat.

another autistic person with aspergers kills a bunch of people. only this time he bought his own weapons (somehow?). california is a total failure of a state. you have a mental illness? here's a fucking gun, kid! have fun! bunch of idiots.

Both sides can agree that guns don't kill people. People kill people.
So, the logical thing to do is to ban people.

I just read he spent hundreds buying lottos in a desperate attempt to get rich to get laid..

all he needed to do was get a hooker..

Really? i thought he already considered himself rich because I saw some of his internet posts where he was basically whining about poor guys with hot girls while none wanted him despite his riches.

I do not think it is fair to blame this on autism/aspergers. It seems like the absolve responsibility "card" nowadays. His father declared he had aspergers and it became A-okay,, no questions asked. Asperger's does not a spoiled entitled brat make. Parental enabling is what does exactly that.

If you ask me, pretty much anyone who murders anyone is mentally ill so that would include 100% of murderers. To add to that list, we could include those who have an irrational fear of government or some kind of boogeyman then we have about 90% of people who have guns accounted for. Now who should we sell the guns to? This is a capitalist country, the money must be made.

The problem with the mentally ill angle is who gets to decide who is mentally ill? Best to just let them play with their toys, watch the fireworks and make sure you stay away from the gun toters because even if you carry one yourself, you'd have to pull the trigger first which doesn't help much if you don't see it coming.

This issue still makes no sense to me. The gun issue is clearly an american except. Why do people find it necessary to own guns for "protection"? It's the 21st century not the fucking 19th!! There are no bandits of criminals going round killing and robbing people anymore and unless you live in some wood somewhere you weren't get attacked by a wild animal.

And yeah I have changed my mind, guns shouldn't be banned altogether. Banning them, much like drugs or alcohol or prostitution just means more lucrative trade for cartels. But what i struggle to get at is the lack of common sense on this issue in America. The land where anyone regardless of their past can get a gun easily, I just find that crazy. People should be trained how to use these things because it seems alot of the incidents that occur happen because the owner of the gun was reckless in some way. Also, a gun ain't like any other commodity or product and so due to the risks of owning one, they shouldn't be so freely accessible. The lack of stuff like mental health checks when buying these sort of things also makes no sense.

Also, gun advocate reasons are just as stupid. You lot really think you can take on the state? How naive of you to think like that? You may have your guns but they can bomb you, nuke you etc before you even have a chance to fight. Also, you gun advocates can't carry on deluding yourselves while innocent people are being killed. Countries like Switzerland rarely if ever have this sort of incidents, because they are properly trained and know how to be responsible gun owners. I don't want to write off american gun owners but these incidents (homicide, misogyny etc.) seem to be quite common and something must change. Calling people you disagree with "moron liberals" won't change anything.

Something must change, and the US constitution would be a start. It needs to reflect the 21st century and modern society in general. Right now I think it's holding you lot back.

Hunting gun usually refers to a rifle you would use to hunt a deer moose. 

I started reading this out of curiosity, because being European I just cannot comprehend the obsession Americans have with their guns.
I simply cannot comprehend the situation in which everyone is safer because everyone has guns. To me it's paradoxical.

It seems that almost every month we see and read some person in the US going nuts and killing a bunch of people. This guy - sure, he stabbed some - but he still had enough guns to finish what he started.

By the way, I didn't notice that any civilian who had a gun had jumped in to intervene and stop the killer. As a matter of fact, come to think of it, almost all shooters either in the end kill themselves, or the police shoots them.
So where are all those "legal" gun owners, needing 3 pistols and 2 shotguns for defense, when stuff like this occurs?

From my perspective, it's just hypocrisy. People claim they need guns for defense, but they never end up using them in defense, only in "offense" when they need to shoot unarmed people. I guess it's just a need to feel important, to personally feel empowered, but without any courage to actually defend themselves, and especially other defenseless human beings, when the need arises.

I am pretty sure that most of those gun proponents buying weapons to defend themselves from the evil government would crap their pants at the first sight of a tank or when faced with a trained military unit.
And especially today, when a soldier in Houston or Phoenix can sit in his armchair and kill a person in Yemen or Pakistan at the touch of a button. An assault rifle sure did protect that Pakistani guy.

Anyway, discussions like these are pretty much useless, nobody's opinion will be changed in the end. We can just hope that the next time a gun owner "snaps", we are not in their vicinity.