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Forums - Politics Discussion - Santa Barbara Massacre: To Hell With Facts

This is a sad reminder of just how powerful and dangerous misogyny and sexism still is in today's world.

This man was a product of a society that promotes the belief that a man is entitled to sex and attention from women; a society that says that a man's worth is determined by sexual conquests and violence/domination. Since he couldn't achieve the former, he resorted to the latter.

An excerpt from his manifesto, which you can read here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled



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I wish someone would've posted a "where's the facts" thread when Fox News was blaming the Muslim pilots of flight 570 and saying their "Musliness" had something to do with the plane's disappearance. Anyway, the media lives to divide people one way or another. MSNBC will always report the white guy whom they want to be the villain and Fox News will always see the liberal/minority as the villain. But I don't blame them. They're in it for the money. It's the people who follow them and think their chosen side is always right who are to blame.



Aren't people still victims when they are injured but don't die?



SocialistSlayer said:

Well did this guy use hunting guns or non hunting guns?

Was the knife a hunting knife? How about his car? 

Hmm ? You sure didn't understand anything about my posts. Im talking about how different communities values guns and why individuals within them own guns.



curl-6 said:

This is a sad reminder of just how powerful and dangerous misogyny and sexism still is in today's world.

This man was a product of a society that promotes the belief that a man is entitled to sex and attention from women; a society that says that a man's worth is determined by sexual conquests and violence/domination. Since he couldn't achieve the former, he resorted to the latter.

Some excerpts from his manifesto, which you can read here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225936731/Untitled


That's just so very pitiful. And not in the way in which I feel sorry for him. I'm sure some " expert" will find some shorty of "mental illness" to blame for this kid's behavior. In this day & age it's never the individual's fault. There's always something that made him or her do it.



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McDonaldsGuy said:
SlayerRondo said:

Then why did you not just come right out and say that rather than being vague.

There are many in the media who when saying "How many more must die before we've had enough?" mean more video game restrictions.

I would also disagree with the need for more gun control.


True, when the cops went to his house after his parents showed him is insane videos, a gun registry wouldn't have helped at all. 

I mean knowing if an angry psycho has guns is completely irrelevant, right? Not to mention he passed the background check. As I said, we need better background checks.

And the fact that I said I was near the shootings, saw people get shot, registered on a video game forum, obviously I was referring to guns and not video games lmao. Come on guys!

While I would rather not have the mentaly incapable posses guns, I believe more invasive measures are no longer tolerable.

Freedom comes at a cost that we cannot always avoid.

And there are also many posters on the VGChartz forums who would advocate stricter controls on the sales of video games, me not included.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

I don't own a gun and never intend to own a gun. However, I'd never support a ban on legal ownership. Why? Because law abiding citizens will be the only ones who follow that law. Criminals who already possess them illegally won't cease owning them because the law says it's illegal.



SlayerRondo said:

While I would rather not have the mentaly incapable posses guns, I believe more invasive measures are no longer tolerable.

Freedom comes at a cost that we cannot always avoid.

And there are also many posters on the VGChartz forums who would advocate stricter controls on the sales of video games, me not included.


Is, freedom at all costs, really something worth attaining? You have a Pandora's Box of possibilites awaiting you.



SocialistSlayer said:
badgenome said:
SocialistSlayer said:

That's a rather insulting article.  Are you insinuating that I don't know the facts.  Or only choose convenient facts that fit my arguments. 

I think it applies to pretty much everyone. Wasn't really aimed at you, though.


We'll the article seems to imply that there are no true facts when it comes to shootings. And people only use it for political purposes. 

When in reality there are in fact people on the right side of this issue supported by facts. And there are indeed people on the wrong side that only intent is to spread lies and misinformation

I know your narrow mind may not fully understand this, but there are facts and studies that support the arguments of both sides.  Apparently the facts that you don't like become "lies and misinformation".



Leadified said:
SlayerRondo said:

While I would rather not have the mentaly incapable posses guns, I believe more invasive measures are no longer tolerable.

Freedom comes at a cost that we cannot always avoid.

And there are also many posters on the VGChartz forums who would advocate stricter controls on the sales of video games, me not included.


Is, freedom at all costs, really something worth attaining? You have a Pandora's Box of possibilites awaiting you.

Is, a life without freedom, really something worth having?

All I have done is drawn a line and said the cost of new gun controls would take us too far away from being free. As I implied in the beginning, some measures are tollerable while some are not.

If we were to restric freedom to the point that no one would die, that is a world I would not wish to live in.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE