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Godzilla '14: Good, But Sadly Disappointing (Spoilers, Duh)

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MoHasanie said:
Why are so many reviewing this movie? It was just an average movie. I only saw it cause there was nothing else good to watch.


It's actually a very anticipated movie. It earned the biggest opening day of the year beating captain America and Spiderman and now has the second highest opening weekend gross behind Captain America. I understand how some might not get interested with the movie, Kaiju films aren't really for everybody after all but that fact just makes it even more impressive for Godzilla.



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Scisca said:
thismeintiel said:

@ bold

OMG, you are 100% RIGHT!  That's what disappointed me about the Expendable movies.  They are supposed to be a throw back to the 80's and 90's action flicks, yet use CGI FOR EVERYTHING!  All the blood and bullet wounds are CG.  A lot of the explosions are CG.  Even a freaking dude being caught on fire is in CG.  The CG motorcycle being launched at the CG helicopter in the second one looked laughable, at best.  This also makes me look at the new Turtles movie and laugh.  There is nothing there that couldn't be done with guys in suits, especially with all the advances in that tech we have today.  It could look even better and more realistic than the 90's Turtles movie, without the fake looking CGI.

Having said that, I don't mind CG for huge creatures and things that just aren't practical with practical effects.  I don't mind Godzilla in CG, for example.  Though, I do agree with you that I would love to see Toho make another Godzilla using the more advanced suits we can make, now.  Sadly, I think they will switch over to CG, as well.


I absolutely agree with you. Star Wars is the best example for it. CG Chewie doesn't look anything like the old guy in a suit. It doesn't look realistic at all. The legendary Mos Eisley scene would look like crap and be totally forgetable if done using CGI. The way it was made - it became legendary. The new trilogy would have been much better, had Lucas not gone with CGI everywhere. I'm affraid Disney is gonna go the same rout, which is sad. The same goes for LotR and Hobbit. Too much CGI hurts movies. Stuff that can't be made well "old school" and would look awkward, like huge monsters, dinosaurs, etc. are ok. I don't mind Godzilla being CGI, as it looks better this way. But when possible the old school ways give much better and realistic effects.

Just compare the incredible original Jabba and the flat, plastic CGI one...

Yea, agree with you on Star Wars and LotR.  If you watch the LotR Trilogy, there is definitely some parts where it's CG heavy, but they still used a lot of sets and used costumes for the orcs.  Flash forward to the Hobbit and almost everything is CG.  The human-sized orcs are.  The environments are.  And the white orc, which could have so easily been pulled off with a big dude in a suit (and would have been in LotR), looks pretty fake most of the time.

Scisca said:


Now where exactly am I bashing America?

 

@Thismeintiel - you probably didn't see it, cause you are American :P I just can't stand stuff like this anymore and trust me - all my friends felt the same thing. This stuff was fun during the first Rocky or Rambo movies, but at this point they make movies unwatchable.

I disagree here.  I have never seen the dozens of scenes throughout the Godzilla movies where the Japanese military is trying to deal with Godzilla as being "the immortal-ultimate-unbeatable-bad-ass-Japanese-marines-who-save-the-world-as-usual."  They are just trying to destroy the threat, as were the Americans in this film.  There was really only one scene that came off as a little dudebro to me.  Which is this one.  But, overall, the movie definitely wasn't "Yay! America" as you put it.  Maybe you're just looking for something that isn't there.



MoHasanie said:
Why are so many reviewing this movie? It was just an average movie. I only saw it cause there was nothing else good to watch.

Cause it's based on a 60 year old franchise that many grew up with? 



Legendary’s Godzilla did something few movies manage to do these days; it surprised me.

I went in expecting a more modern Godzilla 1985 with an enemy kaiju thrown in to make Goji the lesser of two evils. What I got was something much more fascinating, and something that I never would have thought possible; a film that combines Godzilla’s heroic side with a dark seriousness that has previously only accompanied his villainous roles. 

From the opening sequence retelling the discovery and nuking of Godzilla in the 50s, stylishly shot in archive style and propelled by the brilliantly intimidating score, the tone is set; this is a fearsome, no-nonsense film that has no time for cheesy jokes or self-mocking references. It’s even scary at times. And I love that. It’s an immensely refreshing change for the genre.

So far so awesome, but also just what I’d anticipated.

But from there, it ripped free of my expectations; characters I thought would live died, and vice versa. And Godzilla, instead of being a rampaging engine of destruction, became a noble, heroic figure. The only times he ever destroys anything not named Muto is by accident; like the Heisei Gamera, he’s good at heart, he just gets so caught up in fighting the bad guys he forgets he’s smashing things underfoot. By the end of the film, a TV broadcast is proclaiming him “saviour of the city”.

And they didn’t just transplant the Toho Godzilla into their movie either; they created their own unique beast; a sympathetic, misunderstood monster who can be ferocious and powerful, but who seems to have little interest on focussing these traits on mankind. We’re simply getting in his way. 

Like G54 and GMK, this is a topical Godzilla as well; echoes of the Fukushima disaster are palpable in the tsunami and nuclear plant destruction scenes, radioactie waste comes back to bite us in the arse, and the Muto's EMP ability accentuates just how vulnerable we are to the disruption of the technology we rely on. 

Speaking of the Mutos, they’re a worthy addition to the genre menagerie; creepy in design, menacing in presence, and different enough not to feel like a derivative rehash of any previously seen kaiju.

Like Gamera 3, however, the film keeps its narrative firmly grounded from a human perspective. Thankfully, as with G3, the acting and characters are strong enough that this doesn’t really hurt the film. In fact, it makes the kaiju appear that much more impactful by juxtaposing them with gritty reality and placing the audience in the character’s shoes. There was one scene, (where a build up to a fight scene cuts away and only shows a glimpse of the conflict on TV) where I did feel a bit cheated by the limits of this approach, and I was worried that this would extend to the final battle as well, though thankfully this fear proved unfounded.

So it’s not perfect; I also wish Godzilla’s heat ray wasn’t so sparingly used, and the human drama, while solid, wasn’t quite as compelling as in G54 or Gamera 3, but it’s hard to begrudge a few minor shortcomings it the face of all that this film accomplishes; doing justice to an iconic character, making giant monsters seem completely serious and realistic, and most impressively of all, making heroic Godzilla no laughing matter.

In this age of cynicism and predictability, it's nice to be surprised.

9/10 film.



 

In this age of cynicism and predictability, it's nice to be surprised.

9/10 film.


Agreed. I went in the cinema with great doubt only to come out surprised and extremely satisfied. I immediately knew I just had to see it again but in a better cinema as I only was able to see it first in a normal non 3D cinema because every other options were sold out. I was only more impressed the second time. 

That said I really hope the next Godzilla movie would apply the fans reaction to this first one. Not all of it, as some of them can be very subjective, but enough to really make an even better and more epic Godzilla movie.



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Kowan said:

 

In this age of cynicism and predictability, it's nice to be surprised.

9/10 film.


Agreed. I went in the cinema with great doubt only to come out surprised and extremely satisfied. I immediately knew I just had to see it again but in a better cinema as I only was able to see it first in a normal non 3D cinema because every other options were sold out. I was only more impressed the second time. 

That said I really hope the next Godzilla movie would apply the fans reaction to this first one. Not all of it, as some of them can be very subjective, but enough to really make an even better and more epic Godzilla movie.

Well, they've just confirmed a sequel in light of this film's strong box office performance, and they certainly showed a willingness to listen to fan input with this one.

I certainly intend to see this one again while its in cinemas; its the epitome of a big screen movie.



My only problem with the movie was the lack of Godzilla. If they showed more of him, it would have been a perfect action movie. Everything else - story, acting, etc. - was acceptable, although I didn't really care about that stuff. I disagree with the OP about the strength of Godzilla. While he is weaker than Godzilla from past installments, he is still strong enough to make entertaining action/fight scenes, which is what the film is about. I don't understand why a weaker - yet still super strong - Godzilla would somehow decrease enjoyment. Change is not necessarily bad.



curl-6 said:
Kowan said:

 

In this age of cynicism and predictability, it's nice to be surprised.

9/10 film.


Agreed. I went in the cinema with great doubt only to come out surprised and extremely satisfied. I immediately knew I just had to see it again but in a better cinema as I only was able to see it first in a normal non 3D cinema because every other options were sold out. I was only more impressed the second time. 

That said I really hope the next Godzilla movie would apply the fans reaction to this first one. Not all of it, as some of them can be very subjective, but enough to really make an even better and more epic Godzilla movie.

Well, they've just confirmed a sequel in light of this film's strong box office performance, and they certainly showed a willingness to listen to fan input with this one.

I certainly intend to see this one again while its in cinemas; its the epitome of a big screen movie.


My only complaint when I saw it in IMAX is that none of it was filmed in IMAX. The screen was bigger, but it felt as if it was still too small for Godzilla. Just imagine if the whole movie was in true IMAX format. Now that will be an experience!



thismeintiel said:

Godzilla's Portrayal: Yep, this is in negative, too. While they get quite a few things right about Godzilla, they get a few things wrong, too. While I said he is strong in this one, even surviving a atomic blast, at the same time he is weak. While the missiles fired at Godzilla don't actually penetrate his skin, the force does blast him back quite a bit. If you remember the old Godzilla, it would take a specialized missile/bomb to have that affect. Here it's normal cruise missiles, ones that would blow up against old Godzilla, which he would then treat like a fly just bit him. Also, while Godzilla is more than capable when fighting one MUTO, put two against him and he gets his ass stomped. Sure, monsters have teamed up and gotten one over Godzilla in the past, but he has always been able to recover and then take them down. Here, it takes the female getting distracted so that Godzilla can take them on one at a time, for him to win. He also faints twice while fighting them, the last time taking a whole night to recover. Why a creature would be able to survive an atomic bomb, yet faint from fighting two monsters for a few minutes, is beyond me.

Godzilla? Oh yea, he's our title monster. I think – Speaking of minutes, let's talk about the very few that Godzilla is in this movie. I think if you tallied up how long Godzilla is onscreen, it MAY add up to 20 mins. If you add up the battle time, it MAY equal 10-15 mins. In other words, Godzilla is barely in Godzilla. Now, I have heard some criticize that Godzilla only shows up at about the hour mark. Personally, I don't mind a slow buildup. In fact, for the first movie in a new franchise, I prefer it. But, and that's a huge BUT, YOU HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE BUILD UP. Unfortunately, this is where the movie ultimately fails.

      Time and time again (3 times, to be exact) the movie builds up the beginnings of great battles. Both monsters appear. Godzilla looks pissed and flares his nostrils. The MUTO roars. Then Godzilla lets out his iconic roar (love the movies take on it, by the way), only to cut to see what the humans are up to. Now, the first time it does this, I didn't mind so much. It just seems like a little poke at the audience, and we also see Ford Brody's son watching them on TV, stating “Look mommy, dinosaurs.” But the second and third time, it was more like a Fuck You! I literally said “Bullshit!” You could feel the disappointment in the audience and a guy a few seats down from me kept looking at his phone every time they did this. Garreth Edwards made a HUGE mistake here. Of course, it wouldn't have been so bad if the last battle was a huge free for all, one that lasted 25 mins. Instead, the final battle may last about 5-10 mins and is constantly cut with more human footage. It's sad when you can say with certainty that the '98 Godzilla did a better job of making Godzilla it's star.

In conclusion, the movie was still a good movie, but a disappointing Godzilla movie. As my wife put it, the movie seemed to be focused 80% on humans, 15% on the MUTOs, and a measely 5% on Godzilla, the movie's supposed star. It almost screams to me that this movie was originally supposed to be a monster movie, starring the MUTOs, only to have Godzilla shoehorned into the script shortly before filming. Really it just saddens me, being a big Godzilla fan, seeing that if Garreth had only teased the audience once, instead of 3 times, this movie would have been perfect. Or near it. As is, I would give it a 7.5. I also wouldn't be surprised that this movie has a great opening weekend, but drops sharply in the coming weeks, mainly for not delivering what it promises.

I'd have to disagree with just about all of this.

- The final battle did NOT last 5-10 minutes, more like 15-20 all up. 

- 5% of a two hour movie would be 6 minutes of Godzilla. There is much more than that.

- Godzilla has been knocked out in action before; in Godzilla 2000, Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla, Terror of Mechagodzilla...

- Godzilla needing a distraction/assistance to get the upper hand has happened before too; in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla Final Wars...



curl-6 said:
thismeintiel said:

Godzilla's Portrayal: Yep, this is in negative, too. While they get quite a few things right about Godzilla, they get a few things wrong, too. While I said he is strong in this one, even surviving a atomic blast, at the same time he is weak. While the missiles fired at Godzilla don't actually penetrate his skin, the force does blast him back quite a bit. If you remember the old Godzilla, it would take a specialized missile/bomb to have that affect. Here it's normal cruise missiles, ones that would blow up against old Godzilla, which he would then treat like a fly just bit him. Also, while Godzilla is more than capable when fighting one MUTO, put two against him and he gets his ass stomped. Sure, monsters have teamed up and gotten one over Godzilla in the past, but he has always been able to recover and then take them down. Here, it takes the female getting distracted so that Godzilla can take them on one at a time, for him to win. He also faints twice while fighting them, the last time taking a whole night to recover. Why a creature would be able to survive an atomic bomb, yet faint from fighting two monsters for a few minutes, is beyond me.

Godzilla? Oh yea, he's our title monster. I think – Speaking of minutes, let's talk about the very few that Godzilla is in this movie. I think if you tallied up how long Godzilla is onscreen, it MAY add up to 20 mins. If you add up the battle time, it MAY equal 10-15 mins. In other words, Godzilla is barely in Godzilla. Now, I have heard some criticize that Godzilla only shows up at about the hour mark. Personally, I don't mind a slow buildup. In fact, for the first movie in a new franchise, I prefer it. But, and that's a huge BUT, YOU HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE BUILD UP. Unfortunately, this is where the movie ultimately fails.

      Time and time again (3 times, to be exact) the movie builds up the beginnings of great battles. Both monsters appear. Godzilla looks pissed and flares his nostrils. The MUTO roars. Then Godzilla lets out his iconic roar (love the movies take on it, by the way), only to cut to see what the humans are up to. Now, the first time it does this, I didn't mind so much. It just seems like a little poke at the audience, and we also see Ford Brody's son watching them on TV, stating “Look mommy, dinosaurs.” But the second and third time, it was more like a Fuck You! I literally said “Bullshit!” You could feel the disappointment in the audience and a guy a few seats down from me kept looking at his phone every time they did this. Garreth Edwards made a HUGE mistake here. Of course, it wouldn't have been so bad if the last battle was a huge free for all, one that lasted 25 mins. Instead, the final battle may last about 5-10 mins and is constantly cut with more human footage. It's sad when you can say with certainty that the '98 Godzilla did a better job of making Godzilla it's star.

In conclusion, the movie was still a good movie, but a disappointing Godzilla movie. As my wife put it, the movie seemed to be focused 80% on humans, 15% on the MUTOs, and a measely 5% on Godzilla, the movie's supposed star. It almost screams to me that this movie was originally supposed to be a monster movie, starring the MUTOs, only to have Godzilla shoehorned into the script shortly before filming. Really it just saddens me, being a big Godzilla fan, seeing that if Garreth had only teased the audience once, instead of 3 times, this movie would have been perfect. Or near it. As is, I would give it a 7.5. I also wouldn't be surprised that this movie has a great opening weekend, but drops sharply in the coming weeks, mainly for not delivering what it promises.

I'd have to disagree with just about all of this.

- The final battle did NOT last 5-10 minutes, more like 15-20 all up. 

- 5% of a two hour movie would be 6 minutes of Godzilla. There is much more than that.

- Godzilla has been knocked out in action before; in Godzilla 2000, Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla, Terror of Mechagodzilla...

- Godzilla needing a distraction/assistance to get the upper hand has happened before too; in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla Final Wars...

IF you include the human scenes, yea, it's probably 15-20 mins.  You just count the time Godzilla is on screen, then no, it probably falls somewhere around 5-10 mins. 

She said seemed, not being literal.  It was the impression she was left with, as was I, when we left the theatre.  Sure, he's technically on screen for more than 6 mins, but it doesn't change the fact that he's barely in the flick, nor is he a main focus of it.  More like he just shows up to fix the problem at the very end, not to be a big part of the film throughout after the halfway point.

Yea, he was knocked out.  But, did he just faint twice in one battle?  Nope.  Again, it should have been once near the end, and we should have been able to see those previous fights and get the impression he was getting tired out.  Not just faint because the script said he does.

Not refuting that.  But, it doesn't even seem like a fight, more like a beatdown.  Godzilla barely got any hits in and then he started getting his ass whooped.  At least in other fights, they have a little back and forth before they start whooping his butt.  Of course, this complaint is mainly due the briefness of the fights and/or lack of them.  Had the last one been longer OR we got to see more than one (as well as seeing that he was becoming tired after two prior fights), then I probably wouldn't have had a problem with this.