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Do you think the industry is annoyed with Microsofts inability to stick to a gameplan?

Yes 227 49.78%
 
No 177 38.82%
 
See results 49 10.75%
 
Total:453

No. The Xbox One will sell as many units as the Dreamcast in a fourth of the time, developers aren't gonna abandon it anytime soon.



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Even if they did, at least Xbox One will have a Halo game. All the Saturn got was 3D Blast and Sonic R.

Edit: I don't understand how most gamers could be annoyed by this. It would make more sense that they happy that Xbox One cost less, doesn't have to be always online, etc.



Nintentacle said:

Even if they did, at least Xbox One will have a Halo game. All the Saturn got was 3D Blast and Sonic R.

Edit: I don't understand how most gamers could be annoyed by this. It would make more sense that they happy that Xbox One cost less, doesn't have to be always online, etc.

Sonic R was fucking amazing, you're just wrong!



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In some aspects maybe. The Kinect removal wasn't one of them. It would just be a problem if there was some big expensive AAA 3rd party game relying on it, but probably there wasn't any game being made for it. The used games policy probably made some 3rd parties rush to add online passes to games (because they wouldn't be necessary with the previous policy). I actually believe they aren't "pissed", just disapointed by how much lost and confuse the management of the X1 has been. It's clear to anyone that things didn't happen as they believed and their efforts to improve it were pretty crazy and plain weird. Cutting the price was their first move that makes sense.

Anyway, it isn't quite like Saturn. They were similar in launching a weaker machine with a bigger price point, but Sega even managed to piss off retails stores with the surprise launch. And while MS probably started taking bad decisions with X1, Sega was doing it with Sega CD and 32X before the Saturn, so they were pretty bad damaged at that point.



I really don't know why Xbox is still here. Yeah, there's Halo and stuff but the console doesn't know what it wants to be. The Wii U is similar by which it doesn't have a game that makes the Gamepad worth it(yet) but at least it isn't trying to be God.



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MikeRox said:
Nem said:

I dont think so.

SEGA dropped a system they could perfectly kept supporting for more years (The saturn). They disappointed publishers and customers.

Microsoft just pissed off the early adopters a bit. Maybe they annoyed a few publishers a bit, but i'm sure they understand that it benefits them more in the long run.


Wasn't the Saturn doing worse in the West and Wii U and Vita and people are calling it over for those systems already? I know by 1998 you could barely get hold of Saturn software anywhere in the UK and I got mine pre owned for £30 with 5 games before the Dreamcst even launched. Why on earth would a company as cash strapped as Sega continue to flog such a dead horse? Cutting their losses and looking to the "next gen" really was their only shot.

Never owned a Saturn its the only Sega system I didn't own but for that price I would have bought one also even if the five games that came with it where all terrible.



Nintendo is the better analogy to Sega. Just a shame their massive fall this gen is softened by that endless mountain of cash.

I'm urging a boycott of Nintendo products.



Chris Hu said:
MikeRox said:
Nem said:

I dont think so.

SEGA dropped a system they could perfectly kept supporting for more years (The saturn). They disappointed publishers and customers.

Microsoft just pissed off the early adopters a bit. Maybe they annoyed a few publishers a bit, but i'm sure they understand that it benefits them more in the long run.


Wasn't the Saturn doing worse in the West and Wii U and Vita and people are calling it over for those systems already? I know by 1998 you could barely get hold of Saturn software anywhere in the UK and I got mine pre owned for £30 with 5 games before the Dreamcst even launched. Why on earth would a company as cash strapped as Sega continue to flog such a dead horse? Cutting their losses and looking to the "next gen" really was their only shot.

Never owned a Saturn its the only Sega system I didn't own but for that price I would have bought one also even if the five games that came with it where all terrible.


It actually came with Daytona USA and Sonic Jam so I was happy just for that :D I also picked up Sega Rally for 97p brand new from a store and that's the best racing game I've ever played so I was more than happy with my Saturn. It actually had some great stuff and it was at the right time to get into the system to be able to pick up the more obscure releases relatively easily for a reasonable price before they dried up.

But yeah it was a good time to get into the Saturn. The consoles are worth about as much now as shops were selling them for 15 years ago haha. Though obviously before inflation.



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Richard_Feynman said:
DirtyP2002 said:
everybody and their mothers knew about a kinectless bundle coming out at some point. I doubt the devs were surprised.


I could find hundreds of posts from Xbox fans (from all over the web) that swear to the opposite. Even PS4 fans who said the opposite. Then there are the tweets from MS saying it won't happen and articles from various gaming sites explaining why it won't happen.

That's complete BS and you know it.


oh come on!
do you really think MS would say something like "Yeah, there will be a version without Kinect in 6 months or something, so don't buy the Xbox One just yet!"



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Serious_frusting said:

Here me out

You have to consider how much microsoft has pissed of developers with all these 180s.

I bet microsoft got exclusives from EA and Capcom because they wanted the console to be market leader due to the "no used games" policy. They backtracked (devs pissed off)

Kinect bundled with every console so devs know how many people have kinect and can create games for it without worrying about it not selling. (backtracked). Think of how pissed of a dev will be at the moment if they have already started creating a Kinect game.

I bet they are not very happy about this. Its just like how the saturn released early and pissed of the industry. Do you think this might have a negative effect on 3rd party relations in the future?

Its like the 3rd parties are not really going to be able to trust a thing Microsoft says from now on. I think microsoft are lucky that the xstations architecture is similar to the PS4 and they already have agreements in place with 3rd parties. If not for this I could have seen 3rd party content drying up. 


Nor will anyone else for that matter...