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Do you think the industry is annoyed with Microsofts inability to stick to a gameplan?

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Mr Puggsly on 16 May 2014
mutantclown said:


They may have pissed consumers, but not the industry. The industry just ignored them when they failed to sell (aka EA not supporting the Dreamcast). 


No... Sega did piss off the industry.

Some retailers refused to carry the Dreamcast due to business practices by Sega. EA didn't support Sega because Sega pushed EA away. Sega felt they didn't need EA and tried to compete with them. To the contrary, MS actually stopped making sports games to gain EA's support.

Anyone that feels Sega and Xbox are equal probably doesn't know much about Sega's downfall.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 May 2014
maverick40 said:

It is still scary that they have literally did a 180 degree on everything the console stood for initially

No, no, no.

I think the general feeling of many was MS doesn't need to be in the gaming industry so they'll do whatever they want with Xbox. However, they actually changed all their plans because of response by consumers. That isn't scary, that's great and shows MS actually wants to compete.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Not yet, but they will if MS doesn't get it together.

What does that even mean?

MS has it more together with X1 than Sega ever did with Saturn and Dreamcast. Some people seem to think the X1 is performing at par with Wii U or Vita.



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Areym on 16 May 2014

I can see that being the case, although not terribly annoyed. If I were putting out a product and I had to deal with constantly changing factors like that, no doubt I would be pretty annoyed but its kinda the nature of the business. Fads come and go, some stick around for a while (Wii), others die off much faster that expected (Kinect and Move) and companies have to quickly adjust to those changes.

Then again, I know nothing about business anything.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 16 May 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Not yet, but they will if MS doesn't get it together.

What does that even mean?

MS has it more together with X1 than Sega ever did with Saturn and Dreamcast. Some people seem to think the X1 is performing at par with Wii U or Vita.

You're overly sensitive

I never implied that, MS was on the level of Wii U, Vita, DreamCast, or Saturn. Just that devs, especially indies, are starting to question the value of xbox exclusivity, even if the target market is in the US

MS has always relied on its ease of programming, money, and us marketshare for the xbox brand.

Now that its losing on the ease of development side, and behind in US marketshare, its up to money to bear the brunt. Simply put, they can't really on multiplats much longer. Coupled with the 180s, devs are going to be less exclusive to the XB1 which, was its strength on the 360. Sure the few exclusives it had moved consoles, but they didn't neccessarily put it in the mainstream.



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soulfly666 on 16 May 2014

MS definitely pissed off a lot of people and probably devs, but I don't really see where the comparison is valid...Also, most important thing to take away from XB1's first year, is that MS made the completely right decision making the 180's.



Mr Puggsly on 16 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You're overly sensitive

I never implied that, MS was on the level of Wii U, Vita, DreamCast, or Saturn. Just that devs, especially indies, are starting to question the value of xbox exclusivity, even if the target market is in the US

MS has always relied on its ease of programming, money, and us marketshare for the xbox brand.

Now that its losing on the ease of development side, and behind in US marketshare, its up to money to bear the brunt. Simply put, they can't really on multiplats much longer. Coupled with the 180s, devs are going to be less exclusive to the XB1 which, was its strength on the 360. Sure the few exclusives it had moved consoles, but they didn't neccessarily put it in the mainstream.


I'm overly sensitive? Sounds like someone is projecting.

I used Wii U and Vita as an example because those are current platforms that don't have it together... kinda like Saturn and Dreamcast. Struggling for support and little hope of a bright future.

The PS4 is likely easier to develop because of superior specs, but that doesn't mean X1 is particularly difficult to develop for. I mean I heard a developer flat out say the X1 isn't as difficult to devlop for as the PS3, so I don't believe "ease of programming" is a valid argument. Eitherway, developers will support the hardware as long as a it moves a significant amount of software.

MS's biggest competitors have also relied heavily on money. I mean Sony spent a fortune to keep the PS3 competitive.

I'm gonna be blunt, your arguments sound more like rambling and wishful thinking. Hence, I'm gonna just ignore most of your arguments because I find them useless..

MS needs to continue putting quality games on X1 and take steps that can further boost hardware sales (such as the Kinectless bundle). If MS does that, everything else kinda falls into place.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 16 May 2014
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm overly sensitive? Sounds like someone is projecting.

Why would I be overly sensitive about any of this? Your the one that assumed I was saying that it was already as bad as the Wii U/Vita. You might want to go back and read the post.

e.g Q: Do you think Microsoft has pissed off the industry like how Sega did with the Saturn?

       A: Not yet. But they will if MS doesn't get it together.

I used Wii U and Vita as an example because those are current platforms that don't have it together... kinda like Saturn and Dreamcast. Struggling for support and little hope of a bright future.

What does that have to do with anything? The OP asked about whether or not Devs are pissed at MS, I said not yet, but if they keep making 180s and lagging behind in the US, then they will lose their favorable position.

The PS4 is likely easier to develop because of superior specs, but that doesn't mean X1 is particularly difficult to develop for. I mean I heard a developer flat out say the X1 isn't as difficult to devlop for as the PS3, so I don't believe "ease of programming" is a valid argument. Eitherway, developers will support the hardware as long as a it moves a significant amount of software.

Ease of Programming its not just about superior specs, its about more streamlined/easier to use hardware, hUMA vs esRAM is not even a contest. I never implied it was the same level as the PS3, but it goes back to my initial point about devs not favoring XB1 as much as they did 360.

MS's biggest competitors have also relied heavily on money. I mean Sony spent a fortune to keep the PS3 competitive.

That is besides the point, I'm talking about money spent on multiplats. Last Gen, 360 relied on multiplats and often ensured exclusive content with money. This time around, its a really bad deal.

I'm gonna be blunt, your arguments sound more like rambling and wishful thinking. Hence, I'm gonna just ignore most of your arguments because I find them useless..

What am I wishing for? You are the one who called me out. Now you want to ignore my response? Sounds like you didn't come prepared.

MS needs to continue putting quality games on X1 and take steps that can further boost hardware sales (such as the Kinectless bundle). If MS does that, everything else kinda falls into place.

Clearly, but quality exclusives is Sony's and Nintendo's moreso, strong suits. Its not going to be as easy it was for the PS3 now with the XB1, cause the only time Xbox has faced stronger competion in the US is with the PS2.
 

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the2real4mafol on 16 May 2014

Maybe the few kinect developers out there but the rest of the industry couldn't care less. It's nothing like what sega did with mega cd, 32x or saturn.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Why would I be overly sensitive about any of this? Your the one that assumed I was saying that it was already as bad as the Wii U/Vita. You might want to go back and read the post.

e.g Q: Do you think Microsoft has pissed off the industry like how Sega did with the Saturn?

       A: Not yet. But they will if MS doesn't get it together.

What does that have to do with anything? The OP asked about whether or not Devs are pissed at MS, I said not yet, but if they keep making 180s and lagging behind in the US, then they will lose their favorable position.

Ease of Programming its not just about superior specs, its about more streamlined/easier to use hardware, hUMA vs esRAM is not even a contest. I never implied it was the same level as the PS3, but it goes back to my initial point about devs not favoring XB1 as much as they did 360.

That is besides the point, I'm talking about money spent on multiplats. Last Gen, 360 relied on multiplats and often ensured exclusive content with money. This time around, its a really bad deal.

What am I wishing for? You are the one who called me out. Now you want to ignore my response? Sounds like you didn't come prepared.

Clearly, but quality exclusives is Sony's and Nintendo's moreso, strong suits. Its not going to be as easy it was for the PS3 now with the XB1, cause the only time Xbox has faced stronger competion in the US is with the PS2.
 

Going around picking fights are we?

You're too sensitive, calm down.

I didn't assume anything, you took that Vita and Wii U comment too personally. I said "some people", not you.

MS is obviously making the 180s to boost hardware sales... which benefits developers. Hence, I'm sure developers are quite happy with 180s.

Once again, ease of programming doesn't really matter. If it did, PS3 would have had zero support. If the X1 can move software it will get support. It doesn't matter if developers favor PS4, its clear they generally strive for quality ports on X1 as well.

I don't understand your argument about 360 relying on multiplats. MS sold plenty of 1st party software on the 360. According to VGChartz, 360 sold more 1st party software than PS3. For the record, both Sony and MS rely heavily on multiplat software.

I came prepared, as you can see my responses above are valid.

Sorry, I don't feel Sony's 1st party is better than what MS offers. In fact, I give MS the edge because of Halo and Gears. But hey, this is subjective. I like fun games, but some people prefer cinematic experiences.



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