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NPD are used as official by Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. They also are referenced perfectly with regards to statements about sell through numbers. Vgc is unofficial and has become ever more broken and divergent this year. My hope is that the severity of the failure becomes an inspiration to fix the system though. We've had cancelled games showing huge sales, and overtracking in excess of 100%. It simply can't continue like that.



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Neodegenerate said:

eva01beserk said:

 You mean the halo ramake coming this year? or the other halo coming out next year? I can already see the large appeal this will have to such a broad audience.

I was trolling on the previous post, but this one is serious. MS first party is complete garbage. Halo has been done since bungy left it. Nobody buys systems for racing games like forza. Can you even call the next fable a fable? And gears creators already abandom the game. O yea, thats about it for the xbox original content isnt it. How sad since this time third partys wont sell well on the x1. And I know that there were other games like viva pinata and all thouse kinect sstuff, but none of thouse games sold consoles they only appeal to people who already had the xbox.

 

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I mean both Halo games you mention.  Whether or not the quality of the game is what it was with Bungie is a personal opinion, but the fact is the game's name moves consoles.  Do I think it will be enough to catch the PS4 at any point, even in the US?  Probably not.  Doesn't mean it won't be enough for the system to remain relevant.  Also, current IP is one thing while new IP is another entirely.  Looking back on the last generation the majority of games that give the PS3 its "great exclusives" claim didn't exist prior to (Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Demon's Souls, Little Big Planet, etc) gen 7.  XBox could experience the same turnaround if they devote some time and resource to making it happen.  It's gonna be a long gen, should be fun to see what unfolds.

About that, I suggest that you read this post from NeoGAF about it, especially at #3:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120298633&postcount=196

Plus Microsoft doesn't have the world like Sony does.



Neodegenerate said:

eva01beserk said:

 You mean the halo ramake coming this year? or the other halo coming out next year? I can already see the large appeal this will have to such a broad audience.

I was trolling on the previous post, but this one is serious. MS first party is complete garbage. Halo has been done since bungy left it. Nobody buys systems for racing games like forza. Can you even call the next fable a fable? And gears creators already abandom the game. O yea, thats about it for the xbox original content isnt it. How sad since this time third partys wont sell well on the x1. And I know that there were other games like viva pinata and all thouse kinect sstuff, but none of thouse games sold consoles they only appeal to people who already had the xbox.

 

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I mean both Halo games you mention.  Whether or not the quality of the game is what it was with Bungie is a personal opinion, but the fact is the game's name moves consoles.  Do I think it will be enough to catch the PS4 at any point, even in the US?  Probably not.  Doesn't mean it won't be enough for the system to remain relevant.  Also, current IP is one thing while new IP is another entirely.  Looking back on the last generation the majority of games that give the PS3 its "great exclusives" claim didn't exist prior to (Uncharted, Infamous, Last of Us, Demon's Souls, Little Big Planet, etc) gen 7.  XBox could experience the same turnaround if they devote some time and resource to making it happen.  It's gonna be a long gen, should be fun to see what unfolds.

Are you saying that only thouse games where system sellers for the ps3? So you dont remember god of war, rachet nd clank, devil my cry, final fantasy, and many more that came fromthe ps2. 

But anyways that might be true that MS can come up with new ips to change things along but keep in mind that sonys and nintendos first party studios have been there for decades. They keep expanading the IPs they already have while making new ips and getting newer studios to make new ips. MS has had the same studios since the original xbox with the same big 4 IPs that you cannot separate from the xbox. I know gears came on the 360 first but that was the only new big hit from MS studios. Now they cannot count on third party exclusivitys since ps4 is killing the x1 in sales. So what im trying to say is that its true that ms can come up with a lot of new ips and new sstudios wich is great, but sony and nintendo already have a great pool of talent making old ips and new one while alwas trying to create new studios or adquire them, so its going to be toughf for MS to shine in the shadow of the other 2 well stablished and massive amounts of talent. 



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DD_Bwest said:
so apparently npd no longer exist..


NPD certainly existed up until lately, when Major Nelson would rush to his blog to announce 30th or so victorious month in a row. 

I am sure that then NPD was not just some random unreliable source that polls only select retailers. 

But I guess their reliability went down the drain, because Major Nelson is not that quick on a twitter trigger any more. If I'm not mistaken, they didn't even comment May numbers at all.



4k1x3r said:
Dark_Feanor said:

I don´t know why you like so much to repeat the same thing over and over again.

And for what reason are you  so combative against "MS fanboys"?

The last oficial numbers we have for PS4 in NA was February when Sony said they "sold almost twice PS3+PS4 than the cumulative competitor". That was about 250k units.

Since then Sony only said PS4 was the top selling home console, by how much we don´t know. It could be anything from 10k to 100k a month.

Thus the last official PS4 numbers are the 7mi sold/shiped(?) WW by early April.

Your so hated MS fanboys are using the only numbers they have, VGChartz numbers. In fact for the last months we don´t know by how much they are overtracking or undertracking either console.

We can only hope that Sony or MS disclaim their sales in the next weeks with their financial reports.

This is why you're dead wrong, we have the numbers. Were you even checking the NPD threads?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=183162

The numbers are not from Sony but from people who have them so I won't be surprised if they're not worth anything to you (tho they are...)

EDIT: I can't find the May thread

This.

And this is the May numbers in US :



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eva01beserk said:

Are you saying that only thouse games where system sellers for the ps3? So you dont remember god of war, rachet nd clank, devil my cry, final fantasy, and many more that came fromthe ps2. 

But anyways that might be true that MS can come up with new ips to change things along but keep in mind that sonys and nintendos first party studios have been there for decades. They keep expanading the IPs they already have while making new ips and getting newer studios to make new ips. MS has had the same studios since the original xbox with the same big 4 IPs that you cannot separate from the xbox. I know gears came on the 360 first but that was the only new big hit from MS studios. Now they cannot count on third party exclusivitys since ps4 is killing the x1 in sales. So what im trying to say is that its true that ms can come up with a lot of new ips and new sstudios wich is great, but sony and nintendo already have a great pool of talent making old ips and new one while alwas trying to create new studios or adquire them, so its going to be toughf for MS to shine in the shadow of the other 2 well stablished and massive amounts of talent. 

No I was using those games as the example that you can't count solely on established IP to sell your system.  This is something that I feel the 360 has done in the past few years.  MS seemed content to rely on CoD and Madden and other annual third party games to give it the sales it experienced.  That makes the mountain MS has to climb to get back into the game that much steeper.  I don't think they will do it, but it is not outside the realm of possiblity.



Burek said:
DD_Bwest said:
so apparently npd no longer exist..


NPD certainly existed up until lately, when Major Nelson would rush to his blog to announce 30th or so victorious month in a row. 

I am sure that then NPD was not just some random unreliable source that polls only select retailers. 

But I guess their reliability went down the drain, because Major Nelson is not that quick on a twitter trigger any more. If I'm not mistaken, they didn't even comment May numbers at all.

well according to dark feanor we havent had numbers all year so we dont know the true gap.  I guess we just need to take his word for it that its super close!

wow.. even though its sarcasm that was still hard to write..  I wonder how he does it.



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Neodegenerate said:
eva01beserk said:

Are you saying that only thouse games where system sellers for the ps3? So you dont remember god of war, rachet nd clank, devil my cry, final fantasy, and many more that came fromthe ps2. 

But anyways that might be true that MS can come up with new ips to change things along but keep in mind that sonys and nintendos first party studios have been there for decades. They keep expanading the IPs they already have while making new ips and getting newer studios to make new ips. MS has had the same studios since the original xbox with the same big 4 IPs that you cannot separate from the xbox. I know gears came on the 360 first but that was the only new big hit from MS studios. Now they cannot count on third party exclusivitys since ps4 is killing the x1 in sales. So what im trying to say is that its true that ms can come up with a lot of new ips and new sstudios wich is great, but sony and nintendo already have a great pool of talent making old ips and new one while alwas trying to create new studios or adquire them, so its going to be toughf for MS to shine in the shadow of the other 2 well stablished and massive amounts of talent. 

No I was using those games as the example that you can't count solely on established IP to sell your system.  This is something that I feel the 360 has done in the past few years.  MS seemed content to rely on CoD and Madden and other annual third party games to give it the sales it experienced.  That makes the mountain MS has to climb to get back into the game that much steeper.  I don't think they will do it, but it is not outside the realm of possiblity.

We seem to agree then. I dont know if I was the one who missunderstood the other making this pointless, but I apologise either way.



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AAA300 said:
BubblesDepo said:
LOL at the OP and this thread...The denial some people can get in over a game system is hilarious. Could write a psych paper on this.

The real denial is not looking at the facts! This site shows xbox one outselling ps4 in america for the past couple of weeks, and if you look at the past consoles its a landslide for the 360 with 43mil compared to 26 mil of ps3. Early adopters of the new systems may have been in favor of ps4 but it will slowly change as launch hype dies down. Ps4 is losing in japan to wii u for weeks now to but Im sure many are in denial of that too. Europe is going to be ps4 territory but I think Japan will go to Wii u and I have no doubt that xbox will control America!!! 

You start off by saying the real denial is not looking at the facts which the OP has been ignoring no matter how many times they are presented to him.THAT is real denial....


And I see you meant outselling the PS4 in NA not the US. And you can't really say look at the past consoles and just assume the XB1 will take back NA(even though you are using US numbers in this instance but say you only mean NA interesting) becaus the PS2 had the US/NA by a landslide and look what happened with the PS3/360. Just goes to show dominating one gen DOES NOT mean you will do it again the following gen. Japan is still a toss up because it seems as if all consoles home and handheld are a dying breed over there. But haven't seen anyone in denial about the Wii U outselling the PS4 there even though you are making that assumption for some odd reason. The only think that I agree with that you said is that Europe will be Sony Land.

 



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This thread just continues to get more awesome with each week. It should be stickied somehow.

When is June NPD out?