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Well in Canada, the PS4 is $50 more expensive, but I can see the Xbox1 outselling the PS4 in NA



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binary solo said:

Oh right, of course that will happen. It's an essential precursor to a slimmer unit right? But anyway in terms of the PS4bone competition shrinkage and price cut is not a factor unless one console is going to have at least one holiday at a cheaper price. But I don;t see that Happening. Xb one might havbe a proice cut earlier in 2015, but PS4 will cut before the Holiday period kicks in.

Yeah, I don't see it either, but man, a PS4 cut timed for Gamescom or TGS (2014) would be pretty sweet.



prinz_valium said:

hahahahahahahahahah

have u seen halo 5 and quantum break? possible forza 6 and crackdown 3

+ maybe even more?

and its not only about games.

end of 2015 will be shrink and prizecut time

the time for many "not so hardcore" xbox fans to move from 360 to xbox one

and as u know 360 outsold ps3 2:1 in the us. to make the ps4 stay ahead about 25% of 360 owner have to move to ps4 instead of xbox one.

thats not an easy no doubt achivement for sony...

were talking about the us not mainland europe or rest of the world

and ofc many games will play the inferior multiplats. just like many did on theire ps3s

PS2 vs XB sales in NA: 53M for PS2 and 16M for XB

PS3 vs 360 sales in NA: 28M for PS3 and 47M for 360

But somehow you believe its impossible for the MS to lose market share to sony this gen? Well, you obviously don't know how the platform neutrals work. They just buy what the industry says is the best thing to buy or what everyone else is buying. And right now and for the forseeable future I think its safe to say that the bearer of that title is the PS4 unless there is a massive shift in mindshare. Those platform neutrals are not loyal to anything. They simply buy the next best thing on the market. 



What's amusing about the Xbox One so far is that nobody can see (or refuse to see) how closely the Wii U and Xbox One have been, launches aligned. I personally believe that the Xbox One is overtracked on here, I can't see there being any more than 4.5m consoles in homes at the moment. Which is only around a million more than the Wii U this time last year.

Both consoles had successful launch periods then sales went down like a lead balloon after the launch period ended and the launch window period started.

The Xbox One is in serious trouble at the moment, Microsoft's silence on sales as opposed to shipments (with more than likely stuffed channels at that) speaks volumes. It's been an unmitigated flop in Europe so far and only been doing 'okay' in the US. It's only a matter of time until there are twice as many PS4s in homes worldwide...and once Xbox One SKUs start selling half that of PS4 SKUs third parties are going to take serious notice.



abhiram_33 said:
Well in Canada, the PS4 is $50 more expensive, but I can see the Xbox1 outselling the PS4 in NA


Same thing in Australia now with the price cut, though pre-price cut the XB1 Titanfall bundle was usually discounted to the same price. Don't know how sales are going in Aus, but if I was to guess based on what retailers were discounting and the number of people within each section of the game stores I go to, it does seem PS4 is still getting more interest. 



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prinz_valium said:
binary solo said:
 

PS4 doesn't need a shrink but it will get a price cut in 2015 too. So there is no advantage for Xb one there.

 

 


i was talking about die shrinks

ofc the ps4 need that and will get that ;)

 

slim version way later, becaus the ps4 is already very slim


Don't remember the name of the thread but a user showed that going from 22nm to 16nm won't reduce cost to produce so maybe we will take longer to see it happen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

czecherychestnut said:
abhiram_33 said:
Well in Canada, the PS4 is $50 more expensive, but I can see the Xbox1 outselling the PS4 in NA


Same thing in Australia now with the price cut, though pre-price cut the XB1 Titanfall bundle was usually discounted to the same price. Don't know how sales are going in Aus, but if I was to guess based on what retailers were discounting and the number of people within each section of the game stores I go to, it does seem PS4 is still getting more interest. 

That is where the choices to cut price further actually get dangerous. Due to continued high demand and good social media/reputation, the PS4 is now widely viewed as the 'Premium' device. Removing Kinect from the box furthers this view in many eyes. Now the XB1 is just a weaker PS4, so a small price difference isn't enough to make it truly stand out. Both of these things virtually requiring an online service to make decent use of them also reduces the numbers of people who will bother owning both.



Arkaign said:
czecherychestnut said:
abhiram_33 said:
Well in Canada, the PS4 is $50 more expensive, but I can see the Xbox1 outselling the PS4 in NA


Same thing in Australia now with the price cut, though pre-price cut the XB1 Titanfall bundle was usually discounted to the same price. Don't know how sales are going in Aus, but if I was to guess based on what retailers were discounting and the number of people within each section of the game stores I go to, it does seem PS4 is still getting more interest. 

That is where the choices to cut price further actually get dangerous. Due to continued high demand and good social media/reputation, the PS4 is now widely viewed as the 'Premium' device. Removing Kinect from the box furthers this view in many eyes. Now the XB1 is just a weaker PS4, so a small price difference isn't enough to make it truly stand out. Both of these things virtually requiring an online service to make decent use of them also reduces the numbers of people who will bother owning both.

Thats actually a really good point I hadn't thought about before, and I wonder if it played any part in Sony's decision to charge for online this gen. Last gen it was easy to own both the 360 and PS3 because you still only paid the one online fee (Xbox Live) which isn't ideal for Sony as it potentially halves the numebr of multiplat sales that Sony get licensing fee's from (as you have a choice of consoles to buy them on). By charging for online, you give the consumer more incentive to stick to one console or the other. 

Of course, if the PS4 launch hadn't been so successful then that advantage might have been a disadvantage, as gamers might have decided to stick with XB1 instead. But for now, such a strategy might be a winner for Sony, and why an early lead in a new generation can have an amplifying effect as the generation goes on. 



TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
 

Doesn't matter. X1 is NOT doing great. Only a few thousand lead after the launch of the new SKU is never a good sign. What we're seeing here is the X1's spike in sales. How it is going to sell on average is going to be much less than this meaning that the debundling of the Kinect will have done nothing outside of the first two weeks.


Compared to before it is.

It's putting up a fight and is showing how strong the brand is in USA.

Compared to before, it is less bad, but it is overall still doing bad. You need to learn that "less bad" =/= "putting up a fight/being a strong brand".



Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
 

Doesn't matter. X1 is NOT doing great. Only a few thousand lead after the launch of the new SKU is never a good sign. What we're seeing here is the X1's spike in sales. How it is going to sell on average is going to be much less than this meaning that the debundling of the Kinect will have done nothing outside of the first two weeks.


Compared to before it is.

It's putting up a fight and is showing how strong the brand is in USA.

Compared to before, it is less bad, but it is overall still doing bad. You need to learn that "less bad" =/= "putting up a fight/being a strong brand".

And less bad is different than op proposition.





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."