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TheDrill said:
Xenostar said:
As earlier today you stated xbox one was already outselling PS4, ill take your opinion with a huge grain of salt :)

But glad youve at least looked at VGC numbers now, even tho there about to change tomorow when NPD comes out


Current week US numbers:

XOne 50,092 (-4%) 2,871,919
PS4 48,257 (-6%) 3,193,923

Last week US numbers:

XOne 52,355 (-6%) 2,821,827
PS4 51,528 (-10%) 3,145,666

Nevermind, allow me!

Sooo... we're looking at, what, between 80-100% overtracking for both of those weeks in the Xbox One? Which they fixed after May's NPD numbers released?

But no, no, tooootally sure they got it completely right this time. Thumbs up bro.



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bouboumorveu said:
WebMasterFlex said:

"xbone will catch up soon"



Excellent :D

OMFG, I see the xbone future:


OMG you are not very confident in the future of XBone.



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TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

It's no use. TheDrill will just ignore the proof as he did with many other pieces of evidence. No matter though. The truth is as clear as day and there's nothing TheDrill can do anything about it.


I was not given any proof, you just said here, prove me wrong, else I think I am right.

All you did was argue how I am supposed to prove that your arguments are wrong, else you are right.

You have to prove them yourself, like I did, and any reasonable scientific person would.

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You want to bring Science into your hopes and dreams? While I know it's a good idea for you to try to derail your thread away from X1 sales, it's probably not a great idea for you to derail into something you're going to get taken apart even more for doing.



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TheDrill said:




I am not getting destroyed, you guys are not realizing how early into this generation we are.

When your prediction (not the changed one, the actual first post prediction) says that XB1 will outsell the PS4 by Jan 2015, and you are basing this on a ~300k gap, and the gap then increases two months later to ~700k, yes you are getting destroyed.



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TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

It's no use. TheDrill will just ignore the proof as he did with many other pieces of evidence. No matter though. The truth is as clear as day and there's nothing TheDrill can do anything about it.


I was not given any proof, you just said here, prove me wrong, else I think I am right.

All you did was argue how I am supposed to prove that your arguments are wrong, else you are right.

You have to prove them yourself, like I did, and any reasonable scientific person would.

You think you're right? That lack of confidence isn't good enough. In contrast, I know that I'm right and you're wrong.

Also, not liking the evidence that proved you wrong =/= not being given proof. I showed you the evidence. You hated it because it did not fit and support your outrageous claims and thus, you put out your frustrations at me saying I did not show you any proof. Utterly disrespectful. You made your claims, they are your responsibility. You don't tell people to find proof to the contrary for you because that's lazy.

Jeez, and this was all because of one game out of several games that the PS4 will be getting in the future. How about Santa Monica's new IP? Media Molecules? How about Guerrila Games and Guerrila Cambridge? Without Memory is coming out exclusively on the PS4, too. Of course, NIppon Ichi, Compile Heart, Namco Bandai, and Gust will be releasing their games only on Playstation. And let's not forget Sony's other 1st party studios like Studio Japan, Polyphony Digital, San Diego studios, Sony London, etc. It's funny how you're complaining how your "TLOU Remastered won't sell 1 million units" argument got totally debunked when the game is just the tip of the iceberg. There are just way too many PS4 exclusives and "pseudo-exclusives" for you to say that they won't do much because cumulatively, they will, just like what happened with the PS3.

Anyways, back to TLOU Remastered. You have not given any proof as to why the game won't sell well. You also have not given proof why Amazon and Gamestop are less credible than VGC. I told you to prove it, but you refused because you couldn't. VGC is a site full of guestimates that get adjusted to Media Create and NPD numbers when they come out. A site that is accurate would never adjust numbers so frequently. And don't give that "NPD isn't accurate" trash. I linked you to a PDF that explains NPD's methodology, so you have no excuse. Amazon and Gamestop are more credible because NEWSFLASH! They are retailers. They know what's going in and out of their warehouses and stores. If you think that an inaccurate sales website knows more than the employees that actually work for those retailers, then prove it.



Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

It's no use. TheDrill will just ignore the proof as he did with many other pieces of evidence. No matter though. The truth is as clear as day and there's nothing TheDrill can do anything about it.


I was not given any proof, you just said here, prove me wrong, else I think I am right.

All you did was argue how I am supposed to prove that your arguments are wrong, else you are right.

You have to prove them yourself, like I did, and any reasonable scientific person would.

You think you're right? That lack of confidence isn't good enough. In contrast, I know that I'm right and you're wrong.

Also, not liking the evidence that proved you wrong =/= not being given proof. I showed you the evidence. You hated it because it did not fit and support your outrageous claims and thus, you put out your frustrations at me saying I did not show you any proof. You made your claims, they are your responsibility. You don't tell people to find proof to the contrary for you because that's lazy.

Jeez, and this was all because of one game out of several games that the PS4 will be getting in the future. How about Santa Monica's new IP? Media Molecules? How about Guerrila Games and Guerrila Cambridge? Without Memory is coming out exclusively on the PS4, too. Of course, NIppon Ichi, Compile Heart, Namco Bandai, and Gust will be releasing their games only on Playstation. And let's not forget Sony's other 1st party studios like Studio Japan, Polyphony Digital, San Diego studios, Sony London, etc. It's funny how you're complaining how your "TLOU Remastered won't sell 1 million units" argument got totally debunked when the game is just the tip of the iceberg. There are just way too many PS4 exclusives and "pseudo-exclusives" for you to say that they won't do much because cumulatively, they will, just like what happened with the PS3.

Anyways, back to TLOU Remastered. You have not given any proof as to why the game won't sell well. You also have not given proof why Amazon and Gamestop are less credible than VGC. I told you to prove it, but you refused because you couldn't. VGC is a site full of guestimates that get adjusted to Media Create and NPD numbers when they come out. A site that is accurate would never adjust numbers so frequently. And don't give that "NPD isn't accurate" trash. I linked you to a PDF that explains NPD's methodology, so you have no excuse. Amazon and Gamestop are more credible because NEWSFLASH! They are retailers. They know what's going in and out of their warehouses and stores. If you think that an inaccurate sales website knows more than the employees that actually work for those retailers, then prove it.

Even though I agree with your opinion on the future of the PS4 and the XB1, that doesn't summarily make The Drill wrong.

90%+(maybe 99%) of the people on these forums would probably agree with you...  But still, most of your arguments back to the drill are not based in facts, but opinions.  Even NPD #'s are not 100%.  Are they the closest to the pin as far as the industry is concerned?  Probably.  Are Amazon's numbers pretty similar to what we see later on NPD?  Most if not all of the time, but it's not like we have a study out there to prove how close they are.  Are the VGChartz #'s usually wrong?  Yes, but we all seem to make all sorts of posts and threads each week based upon them.  Usually, most of the people naysaying them are on the wrong side of what they want them to represent.  Over the last 6 yeras or so that I have been coming to this site, I have seen many times that the #'s are very close for many months in a row.  For reasons unknown, there seems to be extended periods of time where they are off.  The last 5 months or so are good examples.

Point is, until Microsoft/Sony/EA/Ubisoft/Nintendo/whoever release actual sales #'s in their earnings, we mever really know.



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Landguy said:

Even though I agree with your opinion on the future of the PS4 and the XB1, that doesn't summarily make The Drill wrong.

90%+(maybe 99%) of the people on these forums would probably agree with you...  But still, most of your arguments back to the drill are not based in facts, but opinions.  Even NPD #'s are not 100%.  Are they the closest to the pin as far as the industry is concerned?  Probably.  Are Amazon's numbers pretty similar to what we see later on NPD?  Most if not all of the time, but it's not like we have a study out there to prove how close they are.  Are the VGChartz #'s usually wrong?  Yes, but we all seem to make all sorts of posts and threads each week based upon them.  Usually, most of the people naysaying them are on the wrong side of what they want them to represent.  Over the last 6 yeras or so that I have been coming to this site, I have seen many times that the #'s are very close for many months in a row.  For reasons unknown, there seems to be extended periods of time where they are off.  The last 5 months or so are good examples.

Point is, until Microsoft/Sony/EA/Ubisoft/Nintendo/whoever release actual sales #'s in their earnings, we mever really know.

NPD isn't 100% accurate, I know, but why do MS/Nintendo/Sony use its data? Because it is pretty darn close. The reason why the Big 3 release their actual sales numbers because they include European sales. Remember, there is no European NPD or Media Create equivalent. VGC is rarely accurate. VGC's numbers are close because they are adjusted to closely resemble those of official numbers. If it actually gets the numbers right the first time, then it is either because it was lucky or the systems sold the same as previous weeks since VGC predicts sales by past trends. This is why PS3 and 360 numbers were close to NPD's numbers over the past 5 months. Because they were selling at a steady, constant rate. However, the PS4 and X1 sales are a lot more volatile, which is why VGC is way off on those consoles. The month the Borderlands 2 Vita bundle was released is also a good example. VGC was off because they based their predictions off of the month before.

Also, I never claimed my arguments to be facts. I did claim or stongly implied that my arguments were well-supported. I demanded for evidence that well-supports one's argument. TheDrill was in the total wrong because he refused to do what I asked him to do. Instead, he tried to play the victim in which no one bought. You and the vast majority of people agree with me because my points were within reasonable expectations. TheDrill's, however, were unrealistic.



TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:

And we're on post #1117 or something like that and TheDrill still does not accept the truth. Before, he had the right to disagree because what we claimed would happen did not happen yet. However, June NPD is out and our predictions came true. Actually, some of us didn't expect the PS4 to outsell the X1 by that large of a margin. At this point, there is no more room for debate. The results are clear and sound. Whatever TheDrill continues to do will only hurt him more and more.


If you take into account only the weeks of the price cut, not the 1 week before that in the month, X1 outsold slightly thre PS4 in the US.

Since the gap was 73,000. your saying that first week the ps4 sold at least 120,000 and then droped to 45,000 every week and the x1 was doing 50,000  average a week. This is highly unlikely. First the may buble for the people who held up and preoder the console. We can asume that at least 50% higher on the first week so like 75k. so that would be 70k   50k   40k    30k asuming people started buying at the beginging and slowly interest whent down. The that meas the ps4 would had had to sell in its first week  115k     65k      45k       35k      25k.  Again this is just a guess, but consideering how the market works whe a new product is introduced it has a diminishing effect with the realeased of the product as the highest it will ever be by much. Now why would the ps4 buble up like that on its first week? no big games came out.  Then the ps4 would have no reason to diminish as I shown, but the x1 does have a reason to diminish. You have a masters in whatever I guess you can make some logic out of this.



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Aura7541 said:
Landguy said:

Even though I agree with your opinion on the future of the PS4 and the XB1, that doesn't summarily make The Drill wrong.

90%+(maybe 99%) of the people on these forums would probably agree with you...  But still, most of your arguments back to the drill are not based in facts, but opinions.  Even NPD #'s are not 100%.  Are they the closest to the pin as far as the industry is concerned?  Probably.  Are Amazon's numbers pretty similar to what we see later on NPD?  Most if not all of the time, but it's not like we have a study out there to prove how close they are.  Are the VGChartz #'s usually wrong?  Yes, but we all seem to make all sorts of posts and threads each week based upon them.  Usually, most of the people naysaying them are on the wrong side of what they want them to represent.  Over the last 6 yeras or so that I have been coming to this site, I have seen many times that the #'s are very close for many months in a row.  For reasons unknown, there seems to be extended periods of time where they are off.  The last 5 months or so are good examples.

Point is, until Microsoft/Sony/EA/Ubisoft/Nintendo/whoever release actual sales #'s in their earnings, we mever really know.

NPD isn't 100% accurate, I know, but why do MS/Nintendo/Sony use its data? Because it is pretty darn close. The reason why the Big 3 release their actual sales numbers because they include European sales. Remember, there is no European NPD or Media Create equivalent. VGC is rarely accurate. VGC's numbers are close because they are adjusted to closely resemble those of official numbers. If it actually gets the numbers right the first time, then it is either because it was lucky or the systems sold the same as previous weeks since VGC predicts sales by past trends. This is why PS3 and 360 numbers were close to NPD's numbers over the past 5 months. Because they were selling at a steady, constant rate. However, the PS4 and X1 sales are a lot more volatile, which is why VGC is way off on those consoles. The month the Borderlands 2 Vita bundle was released is also a good example. VGC was off because they based their predictions off of the month before.

Also, I never claimed my arguments to be facts. I did claim or stongly implied that my arguments were well-supported. I demanded for evidence that well-supports one's argument. TheDrill was in the total wrong because he refused to do what I asked him to do. Instead, he tried to play the victim in which no one bought. You and the vast majority of people agree with me because my points were within reasonable expectations. TheDrill's, however, were unrealistic.

Why are you entertaining this guy? Clearly he is just trolling. This is a Dud Thread (or became one not long ago). Dont entertain this guy anymore.