The tech just isn't to the point where it can do what it promised to do.
Zappykins said:
Please, let's not give Sony credit for something it doesn't deserve. Capture devices on consoles were out years before Sony even came out with the original Play Station. The move isn’t a bad device. It’s just a HD Wii. There is a difference between innovation and ‘things that do not exist.’ There are many good Kinect Games for the Xbox 360. They just didn’t bring enough out on the Xbox One. On that I agree they failed at doing. Then again, perhaps this was Don’s plan all along? (Thus the birth of a conspiracy!)
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Ok...so lets just not act like the Kinect 2 does everything the Eyetoy accomplished a decade earlier. Lets not just admit that Sony didnt reject the device known as the Kinect before MS bought it because they knew the inefficiency themselves of creating a controllerless device.
The move is essentially in development before the Wii ever came out. Do the research. Sony state back in 2004 that you cannot have a stand alone camera. Sony said they were not satisfied with the Eyetoy even though they accomplished the goal of creating the eyetoy and launching it in 2004. They immediately began thinking of a seconday way to create peripheral device.
Nintendo beat them to the punch, just like IPad tablets beat the Wii U to the punch. Nintendo had created the idea for a tablet gaming before the IPad even came out. Microsoft just buys other peoples crap and slaps Microsoft on it. Thats the extent of their creativity.
The Move had vastly more potential than the Wii did because you can control the 3D realm and manipulate it rather than just swinging at it. Think Minority report when you do the research about it. The camera adds to the controller movement. Nintendo never had that.
Zappykins said:
Because it will lose development support because not everyone will have one. Without Kinect one might as well just stay with a PC. Why even bother with consoles? While it’s true that half of all Xbox 360’s have been sold with Kinect since it came out in 2010. And 80%, according to Microsoft, of Xbox One users use their Kinect daily. So it is established that even the original Kinect is very popular. I think it will be a small minority that don’t get Kinect. But all of gaming will suffer because of those people. |
For what turning on the Xbox? Innovation is often born from neccessity. It's just not Kinect's time unfortunately.
Gamers showed and show that they take new things in gaming very skeptically. Better not change their beloved games, just give them some prettier graphics and everything will be fine. Except Morpheus but this is coming from Sony so it must be godlike, of course.
Moderated,
-Mr Khan
Zappykins said:
Because it will lose development support because not everyone will have one. Without Kinect one might as well just stay with a PC. Why even bother with consoles? While it’s true that half of all Xbox 360’s have been sold with Kinect since it came out in 2010. And 80%, according to Microsoft, of Xbox One users use their Kinect daily. So it is established that even the original Kinect is very popular. I think it will be a small minority that don’t get Kinect. But all of gaming will suffer because of those people. |
What development support, motion gaming is dead, outside of poor sports compediums and dance games, no one was supporting it development wise.
Well even though i was happy with the things the way they were and was hopeful to see some nice ideas come to life in the future using Kinect...
my biggest worry is not really losing potential 3rd party support, it's losing XBox as a whole.... What people or should I say core gamers fail to realize is, the more XBox is just an other simple average gaming console, the less likely the XBox division is relevant to MS long term plans, the more likely it is to be axed.., XBox has never been meant to be a gaming console only since the 360 it is (was) spear head for MS to mainstream entertainment electronic meant to be an hybrid between the gaming console, the HTPC and the IP TV in one simple box....
I haven't list hope but it is indeed a set back in that regard and MS played a big part in that failure by not providing solid support... All is not lost though I still believe they have their big plans set and there is always next Gen we just lost a decade or so.... Now MS can still put their money where their mouth is buy releasing compeling software that will attract people to buy one... Hopefully they will....
| Lafiel said: Touchscreens and mice turned out to be game changers instead of fads, because they proved to be immediate and reliable ways of input. When navigating menus that might not matter too much, but in a game that's crucial. Personally I'm a huge fan of body motion based games since the first Dance Dance Revolution that's why I'm aware how extremely frustrating it is if you feel your input device is buggy. |
SSOOOOOOO not true at all..... mouse were laughed at when they first came around, and touch took years to be mainstream and accepted.... but like voice control I agree with you it still has to grow into something more natural and accurate to use effcicently
endimion said:
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Did i say these techs were an instant success? Touchscreens were around for decades, but the first time it really clicked with customers afaik was with the iPhone.
| Kyuu said: "Please let's not give Sony credit for something it doesn't deserve" "The move isn't a bad device. It's just a HD Wii" Apparently, when Sony does it.. it's only HD technology. But when Microsoft pretty much does the same thing, it gets called "innovation" seeing how Kinect is pretty much an HD Eye-Toy with little upgrades and more precision. Why did nobody call Sony's EyeToy innovation when it came out several years before Kinect? EyeToy was further upgraded into Playstation Eye and later Playstation 4 Camera (which ironically was ridiculed copying Kinect even though it's an optional device like Eyetoy) Neither Sony nor Microsoft innovated much in comparison to Nintendo. Microsoft (Mainstreamed) console online gaming. One of Nintendo's many innovations/upgrades is a proper analog stick. Sony quickly added a second Analog Stick to perfect the half-assed Nintendo concept, they also pushed the industry forward with Playstation by mainstreaming Mature/3D gaming and appealing to much larger audience. They had the balls to mainstream laser disk based technology which would become the standard for over 2 decades. The original Playstation made the impossible given Sony's lack of experience in the medium. But in the end, Innovation remains a tricky word.. |
I'm sorry but comparing move to kinect is like comparing the steam engine to combustion engine.... yeah they serve the same purpose and provide the same end result.... but they are vastly different non the less
what sony implemented was nothing new whether it was with eye toy or move even though it is a really nice thing to implement in gaming but when it comes to kinect it is technologically a completely new way of approching the motion tracking field at that price tag....
they all have addavnced the gaming industry in their own way but it hasn't always been through innovation, just by perfecting things and implementing them in a better way which is just as important if not more than raw innovation as the dawnfall of kinect proved painfully :)
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