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What was Microsoft's bigger mistake?

The DRM fiasco 253 30.01%
 
Forced Kinect and $100 price difference 305 36.18%
 
It wouldn't have mattere... 152 18.03%
 
I like turtles 128 15.18%
 
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Dark_Feanor said:

Production started only in september.

And the possibility that the camera alone would damage the production output and increase the final price might be the very reason it was unbundled.

The fact is that Sony spent a reseanable amount of time and money developing the new PSCamera, the lightbar is a reminder of the original view they have for the PS4.

This also include DRM verification that was rumored for the PS4 to have until the last minute of last year E3. Just remember that every "shark" at SCE was asked if PS4 would have any kind of online check or anti-used-games feature... they never denied they were working on it.

Sony decided to go the safast way, it´s been working for them... for now.


and how much of that speculative nonesense do you actually believe?

 

Sony's original vision for the PS4 was shown in Feb 2013 way before the XB1 was shown and way before any bad reaction to bundling a camera was shown. the PS Eye was barely, barely shown in that event. in fact it was just mentioned that it exists, and barely anything more. if sony's original vision was to include it with every PS4 sold they would have focused on it much more when announcing the PS4. but they didnt, because it was an small accessory, not a mandatory one. if  they  did intended to bundle it, they would have at least focused on it a bit.

 

@underlined: no, sony decided to do what the consumers wanted, it wasnt the safest way, it was the smartest way. MS fucked up big time regarding many issues, from the decision to add DRM to bundling kinect to using DDR3 instead of GDDR5. and as much as you want to deny those it wont change the sales figures and it wont change the fact that MS shot them selfs in the foot, many many times. while Sony played it smart. 



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Burek said:

I take it you either haven't read what I wrote, or you chose to completely ignore it.

It's not what YOU want, but what people as a whole want. And that was no checkup on physical media. I also think that you don't truly understand the scope of that DRM.

Family share is irrelevant, as it is absolutely sideways to the physical media DRM. It was for digital downloads, and I see no reason why MS had to cancel it, it can still exist with today's policies in place.

Submarine is not my idea, it was the term used by XBox boss himself. I suspect that it was one of the main reasons for him exiting the helm.

I hope that you will find the time and strength to objectively analize the entire situation, and that in the end you will see why DRM is bad in general. 

P.S. We are talking about Microsoft, not Sony, and I fail to see the connection between Steam requirements and "Sony fanboys whining".


No, you don't know what people as "a whole" want. You just know what the loudest people on internet aka sony fanboys/ms haters "want".

 

For example, paying for online play was a mortal sin... untill sony made the same move and then it was all good.

 

DRM is good for the industry. DRM is good for you.

 

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DRM caused a lot of people to question their intentions in the gaming industry. They were very disorganized and unsure of policy and that made it seem even more suspicious. That kind of trust is hard to re-build. What actually prevents me from getting one is the size of the console and my history with RROD. i have to see that thing be problem free for at least 2 years.



XboneWins said:

So are you the guy who will never buy a xbox again?

Anyway, you can whine as much as you want. You would have been able to sell your used games comfortably, you could have shared your library with "family", because of that 24h check you would not have to use the disc to play.  I for one don't need a disc. They just take up a lot of space for nothing.

Everything would have been better with the drm solution, but MS thought that the "internet rage" was genuine when it was just the usual sony fanboys spreading their bullshit.

'24 hr check'

If you don't see that this is the issue you didn't get it to begin with.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
XboneWins said:

So are you the guy who will never buy a xbox again?

Anyway, you can whine as much as you want. You would have been able to sell your used games comfortably, you could have shared your library with "family", because of that 24h check you would not have to use the disc to play.  I for one don't need a disc. They just take up a lot of space for nothing.

Everything would have been better with the drm solution, but MS thought that the "internet rage" was genuine when it was just the usual sony fanboys spreading their bullshit.

'24 hr check'

If you don't see that this is the issue you didn't get it to begin with.

There is no issue. The longest downtime on my internet connection for 3 years has been 5 hours. That was during a blackout.

Everyone has some kind of internet connection nowadays.



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The Fury said:
XboneWins said:

So are you the guy who will never buy a xbox again?

Anyway, you can whine as much as you want. You would have been able to sell your used games comfortably, you could have shared your library with "family", because of that 24h check you would not have to use the disc to play.  I for one don't need a disc. They just take up a lot of space for nothing.

Everything would have been better with the drm solution, but MS thought that the "internet rage" was genuine when it was just the usual sony fanboys spreading their bullshit.

'24 hr check'

If you don't see that this is the issue you didn't get it to begin with.


Out of curiosity, how often does Sony check online for your ps+-membership?



XboneWins said:

There is no issue. The longest downtime on my internet connection for 3 years has been 5 hours. That was during a blackout.

Everyone has some kind of internet connection nowadays.

Yeah I guess they do. Like when you go on holiday and turn off the system. You've got your phone, I can check in with that right? to make sure the game I bought I am allowed to play. It's the internet, I guess that is how it works.



Hmm, pie.

walsufnir said:
The Fury said:
XboneWins said:

So are you the guy who will never buy a xbox again?

Anyway, you can whine as much as you want. You would have been able to sell your used games comfortably, you could have shared your library with "family", because of that 24h check you would not have to use the disc to play.  I for one don't need a disc. They just take up a lot of space for nothing.

Everything would have been better with the drm solution, but MS thought that the "internet rage" was genuine when it was just the usual sony fanboys spreading their bullshit.

'24 hr check'

If you don't see that this is the issue you didn't get it to begin with.


Out of curiosity, how often does Sony check online for your ps+-membership?


You have to be online when you try to play a "free" game from sony.



XboneWins said:
walsufnir said:


Out of curiosity, how often does Sony check online for your ps+-membership?


You have to be online when you try to play a "free" game from sony.

no you dont. 



walsufnir said:

Out of curiosity, how often does Sony check online for your ps+-membership?

Not got one. Don't want it either at the moment. I did get one end of last year, I went for about 2 weeks once without loggin in because I wasn't in my home. I came back and it was still working. It's like it has a expiry date attached to it or something, I pay for 3 month period and it sets a date on it, once that date passes it expires. 



Hmm, pie.