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crissindahouse said:

So, they got probably 1000 tweets yesterday from people complaining about how they could work with Microsoft and he simply responded to one of these tweets telling that this guy can say what he wants about Microsoft but they are a great partner? What do you exactly expect from Insomniac or their employees? To say nothing positive about Microsoft even if they think that Microsoft deserves it because they are simply a great partner for them?

"we can ever say anything good about any partner in the future because we worked with Sony"


The article and the gaf thread put it as..

"Why this game isn't on PS4 as well" -> "Because MS is terrific partners".

Not saying they can't or shoudln't acknowledge MS, but they certainly could have done the message in a better way.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Imaginedvl said:

So, when Minecraft creator clearly bitched on Microsoft who helped them (and this is one of few example), it is normal and very well accepted by a certain fan base :) But when it is the other way around, those developers are traitors/biting the feeding hand/blah blah blah...

Also, Sony and/or Microsoft are both doing the same thing by the way. They are paying (in many different ways) to have different publishers/developers to develop for their platform... I find really funny the fact that a several people believe that people are develop for the Sony platform just because Sony are "nice" :) No they are not, for them (and MS) gamers are just customers, nothing else... And they are both trying to do their best to win them over.

And like Respawn Ent., for me it looks like MS contribution actually helped (or even saved) the game/project...
Sony had the opportunity to do the same and they did not.

Have you see me on the Minecraft saying anything agaisn't MS?

Have you saw me here complaining about MS support for this game?

I think your agenda doesn't fit the OP. Now if you want to address the only person who called them traitors go straight to him.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

chuckyj1 said:

The difference of who owns the IP is if Insominac wants to bring Sunset Overdrive sequal out it doesn't have to be an MS system, because insominac owns the IP not MS.


Have you saw the contract??? GoW was owned by Epic but even so they had in contract that it could only be released on MS platform.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Imaginedvl said:

So, when Minecraft creator clearly bitched on Microsoft who helped them (and this is one of few example), it is normal and very well accepted by a certain fan base :) But when it is the other way around, those developers are traitors/biting the feeding hand/blah blah blah...

Also, Sony and/or Microsoft are both doing the same thing by the way. They are paying (in many different ways) to have different publishers/developers to develop for their platform... I find really funny the fact that a several people believe that people are develop for the Sony platform just because Sony are "nice" :) No they are not, for them (and MS) gamers are just customers, nothing else... And they are both trying to do their best to win them over.

And like Respawn Ent., for me it looks like MS contribution actually helped (or even saved) the game/project...
Sony had the opportunity to do the same and they did not.

Have you see me on the Minecraft saying anything agaisn't MS?

Have you saw me here complaining about MS support for this game?

I think your agenda doesn't fit the OP. Now if you want to address the only person who called them traitors go straight to him.

Even if you did not mention anything like that; the point of the OP is talk about the kind of behavior from developers/publishers and it is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

But anyway, I'm sorry, did not realize this thread was here to talk/respond to you and only you :) My understanding of a forums was wrong... So we should use PMs now to have a "public" discussion? 



Imaginedvl said:
DonFerrari said:
Imaginedvl said:

So, when Minecraft creator clearly bitched on Microsoft who helped them (and this is one of few example), it is normal and very well accepted by a certain fan base :) But when it is the other way around, those developers are traitors/biting the feeding hand/blah blah blah...

Also, Sony and/or Microsoft are both doing the same thing by the way. They are paying (in many different ways) to have different publishers/developers to develop for their platform... I find really funny the fact that a several people believe that people are develop for the Sony platform just because Sony are "nice" :) No they are not, for them (and MS) gamers are just customers, nothing else... And they are both trying to do their best to win them over.

And like Respawn Ent., for me it looks like MS contribution actually helped (or even saved) the game/project...
Sony had the opportunity to do the same and they did not.

Have you see me on the Minecraft saying anything agaisn't MS?

Have you saw me here complaining about MS support for this game?

I think your agenda doesn't fit the OP. Now if you want to address the only person who called them traitors go straight to him.

Even if you did not mention anything like that the point of the OP is talk about the kind of behavior from developers/publishers.

But anyway, I'm sorry, did not realize this thread was here to talk/respond to you and only you :) My understanding of a forums was wrong... So we should use PMs now to have a "public" discussion? 

OP talks only about the way Insominiac answered the question sounding like their old partner (for the last 10 years) is bad, not about they releasing content in a different platform.

It is a open discussion. But if you answer without quoting no one it is easier to think you are answering the OP or a collectivity, and for both cases your point weren't valid. Now if you wanted to address just the 2 people (saw another one after answering you) who called them traitors you could have quoted them. And you tried to attack a specific fanbase, a thing that wasn't even topic here, so I don't see why the passive agressiveness on your answer is needed.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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BraLoD said:
Business are business, there are no room to feelings and the like.
But that didn't sound bad to me, even as a Sony fan, they just are happy with MS and the new work, nothing wrong, I didn't see any harm mean't to no one in there.


The way they phrased not the fact that they are releasing.

On the article linked they answered to fans of PS platforms that the reason they aren't releasing there and just on X1 is because MS is terrific partners (not saying they aren't).

Bussiness are bussiness, and there are no feeling, but public image still exists and when you can be interpreted as tarnishing it you have a problem.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The Fury said:
I like this topic not for what Insomniac has left behind but more because of the idea of business practices between MS and Sony.

MS give you money to do with as you please, develop your game, keep it as your IP but all they ask for in return is the game on their platform only.

Sony come up with their idea, they own it but then hire you to make it.

Both legitimate ways of doing things and both working out very nicely for Insomniac. If EA had funded it instead with their partnership the game might be on a number of consoles alas, Fuse probably put EA off.


Sony have kept them fed during their 10 years of exclusives, MS will probably feed tem some in the gen (maybe for the whole of it depending on the sucess of their new games)... EA got the flop. Well someone have the shortend of the stick.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

In what way could they have explained the situation without making it seem as if Sony didn't step up to the plate? By not giving Microsoft the credit and recognition they deserve, THAT would be biting the hand that feeds, since Microsoft is actually the hand feeding them right now. What you're proposing is they kind of downplay the role MS had in order to appease a company they used to make exclusive games for.

We don't really know what happened behind the scenes, but from all accounts it seems MS was willing to step up with more money and not take control of the IP. Doesn't Sony know this also? It's not like they'd read these comments and be shocked. They know Insomniac came to them with the idea for the game and that they (Sony) did not give Insomniac a good enough offer.



DonFerrari said:
Imaginedvl said:
DonFerrari said:
Imaginedvl said:

So, when Minecraft creator clearly bitched on Microsoft who helped them (and this is one of few example), it is normal and very well accepted by a certain fan base :) But when it is the other way around, those developers are traitors/biting the feeding hand/blah blah blah...

Also, Sony and/or Microsoft are both doing the same thing by the way. They are paying (in many different ways) to have different publishers/developers to develop for their platform... I find really funny the fact that a several people believe that people are develop for the Sony platform just because Sony are "nice" :) No they are not, for them (and MS) gamers are just customers, nothing else... And they are both trying to do their best to win them over.

And like Respawn Ent., for me it looks like MS contribution actually helped (or even saved) the game/project...
Sony had the opportunity to do the same and they did not.

Have you see me on the Minecraft saying anything agaisn't MS?

Have you saw me here complaining about MS support for this game?

I think your agenda doesn't fit the OP. Now if you want to address the only person who called them traitors go straight to him.

Even if you did not mention anything like that the point of the OP is talk about the kind of behavior from developers/publishers.

But anyway, I'm sorry, did not realize this thread was here to talk/respond to you and only you :) My understanding of a forums was wrong... So we should use PMs now to have a "public" discussion? 

OP talks only about the way Insominiac answered the question sounding like their old partner (for the last 10 years) is bad, not about they releasing content in a different platform.

It is a open discussion. But if you answer without quoting no one it is easier to think you are answering the OP or a collectivity, and for both cases your point weren't valid. Now if you wanted to address just the 2 people (saw another one after answering you) who called them traitors you could have quoted them. And you tried to attack a specific fanbase, a thing that wasn't even topic here, so I don't see why the passive agressiveness on your answer is needed.

Seriously people need to stop this shit whenever we post in a sarcastic way and stop being so defensive... There is no attack, just stated facts. Fan bases in general (MS or Sony or even Nintendo) tend to see things with their own light when it is fiting their agenda and in a totaly diffferent way when it is not... There is no attack here and you are just making a huge deal out of nothing instead of understanding the point. Sorry if the way I posted it hurted you in any way but it was not my goal (it was more sarcastic than anything close to aggressive).

My point stays the same. Both companies ARE businesses. Gamers are just customers for them... Developpers/publishers are others businesses and everybody in this little world are trying to make money and survive. Your OP is talking about two businesses like they were almost good friends or family members... And it does not apply (in my oppinion) at all when we are talking about business opportunities...

Also, regarding the public image, nobody will care in 2 years when Insomniac will come out with another exclusive for the PS4... Again, gamers are customers and even if they can be very vocal at a time, they are switching side in a second when something good is coming on the other side...



J_Allard said:
In what way could they have explained the situation without making it seem as if Sony didn't step up to the plate? By not giving Microsoft the credit and recognition they deserve, THAT would be biting the hand that feeds, since Microsoft is actually the hand feeding them right now. What you're proposing is they kind of downplay the role MS had in order to appease a company they used to make exclusive games for.

We don't really know what happened behind the scenes, but from all accounts it seems MS was willing to step up with more money and not take control of the IP. Doesn't Sony know this also? It's not like they'd read these comments and be shocked. They know Insomniac came to them with the idea for the game and that they (Sony) did not give Insomniac a good enough offer.


The way of truth would help a little, as you said MS footed the bill and asked for exclusivity (the terms we don't know), wasn't just because MS is terrific partner... As I said the problem is more on the phrasing than on what happened. And as someone mentioned if we consider they could be butthurt on Sony for not freeing their IPs or against EA for lefting them on the ground because of Fuse flop then it makes sense. But the way they answered the direct question puts the conotation I said in the OP.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."