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2017?

yes 200 54.35%
 
no 77 20.92%
 
see foolish answers 90 24.46%
 
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superchunk said:
Soundwave said:

Which had nothing to do with the Wii U, it simply stated that Iwata forsees soft/minimal profit margins the next two fiscal years, with their hope being that they can break through in FY17 to "Nintendo like" profits. That likely is referencing Nintendo's future hardware projects (QoL and 3DS successor) more than anything, that they are banking on those to bring their profit level back. 

Nothing was said at all about any time frame for the Wii U to be supported. 

You're entitled to your opinion. But I think mine plus the info in OP stack up better.


I'm not stating opinion though. The info you have in your OP is mostly made up. Nothing was said about Sega. Fact. Nothing was said about 2016/17 support. Fact. The bit about FY15/16/17 is referencing Nintendo's long term view of when they will be profitable again and again has nothing to do with what you're talking about in this thread. Fact. 



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Soundwave said:


I'm not stating opinion though. The info you have in your OP is mostly made up. Nothing was said about Sega. Fact. Nothing was said about 2016/17 support. Fact. The bit about FY15/16/17 is referencing Nintendo's long term view of when they will be profitable again and again has nothing to do with what you're talking about in this thread. Fact. 

Fact is Nintendo doesn't give direct answers. So you have to take what is given and smoosh it all together with anything else you know. Then present your original arguement. That is what I have done.

You are very negative and see nintendoom while I see a massively wealthy company that specified new hardware is still far off, they have no interest in pissing off current customers with killing current off early, and they have a lot of big games coming out that wouldn't allow them to start really working on the new IPs for a new console yet... especially considering it takes 2-3 years for Nintendo to make the next major iterations. Its simply illogical to expect a new console before 2017 when you consider all this.



superchunk said:
Soundwave said:


I'm not stating opinion though. The info you have in your OP is mostly made up. Nothing was said about Sega. Fact. Nothing was said about 2016/17 support. Fact. The bit about FY15/16/17 is referencing Nintendo's long term view of when they will be profitable again and again has nothing to do with what you're talking about in this thread. Fact. 

Fact is Nintendo doesn't give direct answers. So you have to take what is given and smoosh it all together with anything else you know. Then present your original arguement. That is what I have done.

You are very negative and see nintendoom while I see a massively wealthy company that specified new hardware is still far off, they have no interest in pissing off current customers with killing current off early, and they have a lot of big games coming out that wouldn't allow them to start really working on the new IPs for a new console yet... especially considering it takes 2-3 years for Nintendo to make the next major iterations. Its simply illogical to expect a new console before 2017 when you consider all this.


Well now you're venturing into opinion-ism and that's fine, just don't present it as fact, which is misleading. 

My position on a console is actually quite clear ... you're right you won't see a new Nintendo console in 2015 or 2016. I though happen to think you won't see a new console in 2017 or 2018 or 2019 either. Nintendo is done with the traditional console business once they wash their hands of the Wii U disaster.

And I'm not even sure if they will be the only ones, I think Microsoft is a 50/50 chance of jumping ship on dedicated consoles after this gen too. 



Soundwave said:

Well now you're venturing into opinion-ism and that's fine, just don't present it as fact, which is misleading. 

My position on a console is actually quite clear ... you're right you won't see a new Nintendo console in 2015 or 2016. I though happen to think you won't see a new console in 2017 or 2018 or 2019 either. Nintendo is done with the traditional console business once they wash their hands of the Wii U disaster.

And I'm not even sure if they will be the only ones, I think Microsoft is a 50/50 chance of jumping ship on dedicated consoles after this gen too. 

I presenting an argument. I took info and made points followed by a statement. Vast majority seem to agree.

I've seen your posts on this last traditional console. MSony already don't offer dedicated consoles. That is why they use 3GB for their OS and are essentially full entertainment devices with strong gaming components. Exactly what I stated they would be in 2011 or 2010 whenever my thread on that was written.

Nintendo will likely follow more of that path beyond what they are already doing sure. But Nintendo will definitely continue to offer a game console. It will likely be more of a hybrid device that integrates perfectly with portable/home structure. They are not abandoning gaming. Maybe add more to their offering, but not abandoning gaming on their own hardware.



I also don't think even with that comment that Nintendo will support the Wii U far past 2015. Nintendo will put in only as much effort with the system as they have to going forward, which largely probably just means letting development finish on games that were already well into development anyway.

And that's fine IMO, I don't think people have a right to complain about that and it's highly disingenuous to compare that to Sega when Nintendo is still providing pretty much all their big franchises to Wii U on top of some decent support titles to go with it. Wii U already has a library relatively equal to the Saturn as far as I'm concerned (US releases anyway) and faaaaar better than the Sega 32X. That comparison really irks me, just because a console doesn't have some arbitrary numbers of years of support doesn't make it a Saturn/32X.

2016/2017 will be all about establishing and supporting QoL and their Fusion platforms and any sensible Nintendo fan should understand why they have to do that for the overall future well being of the company (especially with the way iOS/Android is damaging Nintendo's standing in the portable sphere). 

All Nintendo has to do is provide one good Mario, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Zelda, DKC, and they're mostly already filled up their quota for what they are individually obligated to provide for a home console ... and the Wii U has a lot of good games outside of that too -- Bayo 2, X, Yarn Yoshi, Pikmin 3, Nintendo Land, LEGO City, Hyrule Warriors, ... Wii U will easily match/exceed the GameCube's Nintendo published output in quality by the end of 2015. Stop complaining and stop the Sega comparisions, they're just stupid. They're supporting the Wii U as best as can be expected considering its performing like a dog turd at retail.

You can't expect Nintendo to sink so many resources into a platform with such a tiny userbase. Lets be reasonable here too. 



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Skidonti said:
trestres said:
Pavolink said:
RolStoppable said:
 

No, trestres is wrong. Nintendo's fiscal year that just ended was 2014, so now it's already FY2015 for them. Meanwhile, Sony counts their fiscal years differently, so the same timeframe in calendar terms is one fiscal year behind (Sony is in fiscal year 2014 right now).

Is that right? Thanks.

Then FY2016 is too soon for a homeconsole as it's next year and FY 2017 seems more reasonable.

Rolstoppable is wrong, I've been checking everywhere and the FY number is the same as the year when it started in Japan.
Nintendo called this period Fiscal Year ENDED March 2014. Which is actually FY 2013.

But anyway, this is simply nomenclature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year

Nintendo refers to a lot of things as FY Ending ___, whether in future or in retrospect.
Hence, on their consolidated sales documents available on their IR site they list FY3/2013 as the year that included most of 2012. The current FY in progress is FY3/2015.
It is just nomenclature but it's darned important to understand what the company means lest we be off by more than a year.

Edit: Visiting their IR site just now is the first I've seen them explicity refer to a year not by the month it ends. So maybe they are bringing in more of the usual nomenclature.


Why are you making things up? The answer is right on their IR Page, the one you just quoted.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/earnings/index.html

FY 2013 (ended March 2014)

You should have checked before writing that.



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burning_phoneix said:
curl-6 said:
 

But it is an unnecessary barrier to casual players while only harming the elegant simplicity of the series. And don't get me started about how the karts handle like top-heavy dune buggies.


Casual players are not pants on head retarded. Does the Kart move forward and shoot red shells? That's the only thing that matters. I don't know why the 2nd character is such a "barrier" to you considering a casual gamer can completely ignore it for no real detriment to his experience. Why is "two people riding on a vehicle" so intimidating to anybody?

The core appeal of Mario Kart is its accessible simplicity. The dual character setup was less appealing because it goes against this.



curl-6 said:
burning_phoneix said:
curl-6 said:
 

But it is an unnecessary barrier to casual players while only harming the elegant simplicity of the series. And don't get me started about how the karts handle like top-heavy dune buggies.


Casual players are not pants on head retarded. Does the Kart move forward and shoot red shells? That's the only thing that matters. I don't know why the 2nd character is such a "barrier" to you considering a casual gamer can completely ignore it for no real detriment to his experience. Why is "two people riding on a vehicle" so intimidating to anybody?

The core appeal of Mario Kart is its accessible simplicity. The dual character setup was less appealing because it goes against this.


You can hold 2 items at once, and you just simply press the Z button to use the other item.



I didn't bother voting in the pole as I'd probably disagree with the result. I pretty much agree with the OP, I certainly wouldn't invest in new home console hardware so soon into the current gen.



trestres said:
Skidonti said:

Nintendo refers to a lot of things as FY Ending ___, whether in future or in retrospect.
Hence, on their consolidated sales documents available on their IR site they list FY3/2013 as the year that included most of 2012. The current FY in progress is FY3/2015.
It is just nomenclature but it's darned important to understand what the company means lest we be off by more than a year.

Edit: Visiting their IR site just now is the first I've seen them explicity refer to a year not by the month it ends. So maybe they are bringing in more of the usual nomenclature.


Why are you making things up? The answer is right on their IR Page, the one you just quoted.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/earnings/index.html

FY 2013 (ended March 2014)

You should have checked before writing that.

This is not the first time I've visited their IR page. I've been referencing it and their consolidated sales documents for a while, and I was merely stating what I've seen in such experience. A quick look at one of the documents linked there would show you that they still do refer to every single year within them by the month they ended, as I said, most recently being FY3/2014.

For example, this fully updated document.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_pl_e1403.pdf

I'm not making things up at all, and I checked after writing, upon which I became surprised and came back to  acknowledge that IR does indeed now use the typical nomenclature. However, that's only within the website navigation and headers, as within reference documents the naming is still as I described.
See where I'm coming from tres? I wouldn't be so up in arms if not for being told I'm making things up.

Compare with Sony's consolidated financials, where it's clearly all about starting year in the documents.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/historical.html