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Euphoria14 on 02 May 2014
Machiavellian said:
Euphoria14 said:

Sunset Overdrive & Quantum Break are 3rd party aren't they? Not sure about Project Spark. Is the developer a MS owned studio? Is that a MS owned IP?

I am strictly speaking about MS Studios 1st party development.

 

 

Also I believe with Lionhead the only title we know about right now is Fable Legends. They said they were also working on a non fable-esque new IP.

It does not matter if Sunset, Quantum are third party.  MS invested in those projects and are publishing them.  Which mean they had to approve those new IPs to put their money into.  Dismissing games because they are not first party as a gamer does not sound very good.

Will you cry within a PS thread about Sony doing another Killzone, Uncharted, GTA, or FF.  Will you cry in a Nintendo thread about them doing another Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong etc.  Studios have established IPs and there are a huge fanbase waiting for those games.  Seem silly to not keep producing content that customers want.


My goodness, everyone in here is getting my post so incredibly mixed up. That or failed to read it and are only going off the posts that initially misunderstood my point.

 

I never once said that they do not put effort into other titles, whether it be 3rd party or not. I only said I would like to see them have their 1st party studios work on more than just those (4) franchises. I do not see what is the big issue with that. Not everyone likes those franchises or does like them but doesn't want them every year or so.

Is it really that bad for someone to not take the news here as incredible and would rather Black Tusk have continued work on their new AAA IP rather than MS have them switch focus over to yet another Gears of War? MS now possibly working on (3) Halo titles means less resources to work on new IP within their 1st party studios.

As for your bolded paragraph there, yes. I have already stated in the past that I believe Nintendo does too much Mario, Zelda, etc... more my liking and I would start complaining about those Sony games when they stop making new IP, which is something SONY is very well known for doing. Seeing though as how this is a MS thread I do not see why either of those (2) companies matter.

As for "why not make stuff people want". Did you even read my initial post? I stated at the start that if the fans want that then great that MS is making it and that I hope the XBox One fans enjoy them.

Only people in here crying are those who didn't like my initial comment.

 

 

Enjoy guys and keep the misunderstanding coming since I obviously rustled a few feathers that had no reason to be rustled.



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Euphoria14 on 02 May 2014
Seece said:
Euphoria14 said:

Sunset Overdrive & Quantum Break are 3rd party aren't they? Not sure about Project Spark. Is the developer a MS owned studio? Is that a MS owned IP?

I am strictly speaking about MS Studios 1st party development.

 

 

Also I believe with Lionhead the only title we know about right now is Fable Legends. They said they were also working on a non fable-esque new IP.

Project Spark is developed by an internal first part MS studio, Quantum Break is first party IP.

I tried to look up the studio that developed Project Spark and couldn't find anything, which is why I mentioned them. Thanks for the clarification.

Quantum Break is news to me, although would this make it 2nd party similar to Ratchet and Clank when they were developed by Insomniac?

 

Either way it doesn't really kill my main point which is that their main focus is the (4) I mentioned and they happen to pump them out on a regular basis. I also said that if the fans want it then great. I just personally would like them to shelve one of them for a bit and put their muscle behind something new.



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celador on 02 May 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
celador said:

As for MS, they have more than enough money to create new studios

they moneyhat exclusives and make the same games over and over again.


They have made new studios.

They aren't just making the same games over and over... they're making new games. They are even working on new IPs.

Man, MS is doing what you want and you still complain. How about giving a little credit where its due?

Like I already said, I want MS to come out at E3 and announce some new IPs that are actually first party.  If they do I will change my opinion of them



Seece on 02 May 2014
Euphoria14 said:
Seece said:
Euphoria14 said:

Sunset Overdrive & Quantum Break are 3rd party aren't they? Not sure about Project Spark. Is the developer a MS owned studio? Is that a MS owned IP?

I am strictly speaking about MS Studios 1st party development.

 

 

Also I believe with Lionhead the only title we know about right now is Fable Legends. They said they were also working on a non fable-esque new IP.

Project Spark is developed by an internal first part MS studio, Quantum Break is first party IP.

I tried to look up the studio that developed Project Spark and couldn't find anything, which is why I mentioned them. Thanks for the clarification.

Quantum Break is news to me, although would this make it 2nd party similar to Ratchet and Clank when they were developed by Insomniac?

 

Either way it doesn't really kill my main point which is that their main focus is the (4) I mentioned and they happen to pump them out on a regular basis. I also said that if the fans want it then great. I just personally would like them to shelve one of them for a bit and put their muscle behind something new.

Project Spark is made by Team Dakota and Quantum is 1st party IP because MS internal LA studios is doing the CGI/Acting scenes, so it's more like Remedy are being contracted for 1st party IP.

I wouldn't say Fable is pumped out on a regular basis, last gen we had 2 mainline Fables and a crappy spin off that was ignored. Forza is heavily milked but the quality is always there.

They have LXP as well



 

celador on 02 May 2014
J_Allard said:
celador said:
Sounds kind of desperate honestly. Would expect declining quality if even if they outsource some of it

ITT we learn that companies focusing on delivering games their fanbase wants is "desperate".

aka all of the big 3 are "desperate". Look at Sony about to rehash Last of Us. Mario Kart EIGHT Nintendo? So desperate.


Releasing games from the same franchise after a decent development time = not desperate

Making your biggest franchise annual because you lack the confidence and/or willing to take a risk on a new IP that could shift systems = kind of desperate



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Machiavellian on 02 May 2014
celador said:
Machiavellian said:
celador said:

Why would it change over the course of a ten minute conversation with you?  If MS announce a load of exclusives actually made by them and a few are new IPs at E3 I would start to change my view and would be happy to do so.

Who really cares if a exclusive is made by MS.  If MS is funding or publishing it then they have invested in that exclusive.  As a gamer I just want good games and I care little if the game is first party.  I care little if the exclusive will appear on another console in a year or 2 latter.  The reason is because I am a gamer not a fanboy.  In the end, all Console makers play it safe enough where you have established IP and you only venture to risk on new stuff later in the development of the system.  Case in point would be Sony this gen.  Early games are established franchises that have sold well and have strong audiences.

Not really.  Knack and DriveClub and The Order are brand new, and Killzone and inFamous are middling franchises.

As for MS, they have more than enough money to create new studios and still remain in profit for the Xbox division but they don't, they moneyhat exclusives and make the same games over and over again. The big question is why they go for short term solutions when they say they are in gaming for the long haul

The Order is from a 3nd party company (Ready at Dawn is not owned by Sony)  so by your definition you can take that game out.  

@Bolded:  Thats how gamers think but thats not how business think or should.  You do not just throw money creating new studios and bringing out risky new projects just because you have money.  This is how new studios and other companies fine themselves in the red or losing money because they do not plan out their investement to make sure you get a return.

As for MS making new studios with new IPs here is a link to a new studio that probably is bringing out something to show at E3

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/11/trademark-unveils-a-new-microsoft-first-party-studio-leap-experience-pioneers/



Machiavellian on 02 May 2014
celador said:
Mr Puggsly said:
celador said:

As for MS, they have more than enough money to create new studios

they moneyhat exclusives and make the same games over and over again.


They have made new studios.

They aren't just making the same games over and over... they're making new games. They are even working on new IPs.

Man, MS is doing what you want and you still complain. How about giving a little credit where its due?

Like I already said, I want MS to come out at E3 and announce some new IPs that are actually first party.  If they do I will change my opinion of them

Just wondering, why is it important that the game is first party.



Euphoria14 on 02 May 2014
Seece said:

Project Spark is made by Team Dakota and Quantum is 1st party IP because MS internal LA studios is doing the CGI/Acting scenes, so it's more like Remedy are being contracted for 1st party IP.

I wouldn't say Fable is pumped out on a regular basis, last gen we had 2 mainline Fables and a crappy spin off that was ignored. Forza is heavily milked but the quality is always there.

They have LXP as well

Last gen we had the Fable IP used for:

Fable 2

Fable 3

Fable: The Journey

Fable Anniversary

 

Fable Heroes looked to be more of a side project so while it should be included, I won't worry too much about it.

I would just like to see Lionhead be able to do something outside of the Fable IP while they are a MS owned studio. Maybe E3 shows that.

 

I would LOVE to be proven wrong at E3. Heck, I would LOVE to see them focus big on getting JRPGs again.



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celador on 02 May 2014
Machiavellian said:
celador said:

Like I already said, I want MS to come out at E3 and announce some new IPs that are actually first party.  If they do I will change my opinion of them

Just wondering, why is it important that the game is first party.

Because third party games shouldn't be moneyhatted if they are planned orignally to release mulit-platform, it shows a lack of originality and effort and makes me question MS's long term plans in terms of gaming when they consistently choose the short term option.  The wasteland that was X360 exclusives for the last couple years of it's main life and the TV TV TV of last year's reveal also add to that.  If MS ever became the dominant force in console gaming I can only see them making the industry worse.



ice on 02 May 2014

Please let it be a Halo RPG :)