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burning_phoneix said:
spemanig said:
bubblegamer said:
Because the whole definition of bias playing a role, where money is the only driving force, in the business making decisions of corporations is utterly unrealistic.


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It might be shocking to many people but corprations are actually run by human beings, with motivations and feelings too! I KNOW! SHOCKING!

 

While usually, corprations will try to maximize profit at all time, there is precedent for personal feelings getting in the way of decision making. Hell, the original Playstation was released out of pride rather than careful financial analysis.


Its actually halarious imagining a board room of businessmen having a console war and ganging up on the one guy who speaks out for nintendo.

Maybe developopers and those lower down the hierarchy have feelings, but near the top, I dont even think they are gamers, let alone have a preference.



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bubblegamer said:
burning_phoneix said:
spemanig said:
bubblegamer said:
Because the whole definition of bias playing a role, where money is the only driving force, in the business making decisions of corporations is utterly unrealistic.


^


It might be shocking to many people but corprations are actually run by human beings, with motivations and feelings too! I KNOW! SHOCKING!

 

While usually, corprations will try to maximize profit at all time, there is precedent for personal feelings getting in the way of decision making. Hell, the original Playstation was released out of pride rather than careful financial analysis.

And this happens EVERY time AND to EVERY corporation? I see. Must be nice to belive things that suit your part of view.


I never said anything about any company having a bias against Nintendo (my post before that simply puts the lack of 3rd parties on Nintendo platforms due to increased competition: a financial rather than personal factor).

I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's not unheard of for personal grudges to get in the way of business. It's not "utterly unrealistic" as you state.



RolStoppable said:

Definition of bias:

1. A preference or inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
2. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.

The fall of Square-Enix has much to do with this. On one day the company suddenly decided that what it was successfully doing for two decades wasn't going to work anymore, so their output changed. The JRPGs the company became known for were pushed to the side in order to pursue the new things. Meanwhile, smaller companies like Atlus and Gust kept putting out their JRPGS and saw stable or increasing sales. Not only was there no evidence for Square-Enix to justify their change, but there was plenty of evidence that disproved the reason for their change. Apparently the company woke up from their delusions that classic JRPGs have no market anymore, but only after years of bad financials. The executives in charge stubbornly stuck to their course, unwilling to accept all evidence that showed they were wrong. It has to be seen what comes out of this, but admitting that there was a real problem these past few years is probably the most positive news about Square-Enix since the seventh generation started.

Another example of bias is the industry-wide belief that entire genres do not sell anymore. Survival horror is one prominent example, challenging games like Dark Souls are another. Such decisions aren't made based on actual data, but very narrow-minded views of the video games market. And everytime a game succeeds, it's written off as an anomaly to uphold the narrative that the executives in charge know what they are doing and can keep doing what they are doing.

Then there's the notion that singleplayer-only games are not viable anymore. For people on VGC, this is an absolutely mindboggling statement, because it's so easy to point out numerous million-selling singleplayer games of the last few years. But once again, despite obvious evidence to the contrary, the majority of the video game industry sticks to their guns. A biased perception of the market is clouding their judgment, so the nonsense doesn't stop, but rather gets worse. The hivemind of the industry dictates that there can only ever be one thing that is the future and until that bubble bursts, there won't be a serious re-evalution of the way the companies are doing business.

Biased decisions are a very real thing in the video game industry. They happen all the time.

The difference between the question in the thread title and the examples in the OP is that, unlike those examples, there's an actual basis for third-parties to avoid Nintendo. 

They have a history (albeit one that, depending on your perspective, is in the past) of being a bad partner, their tendency to make radical changes to their hardware makes them an unreliable platform, and from a purely financial perspective their platforms offer less potential return for third-parties.



I believe in honesty, civility, generosity, practicality, and impartiality.

burning_phoneix said:
Because Nintendo is a competitor on Nintendo owned consoles. A very fierce competitor in fact.

It's a catch-22. Nintendo needs to release titles constantly for their systems to sell, which interferes with 3rd party releases.

If Nintendo eases off the throttle, theirs no guarantee that 3rd parties will fill the void (Rayma Legends comes to mind)

I don't think that's it. Games like Just Dance and Skylanders do very well on Nintendo consoles. I doubt EA is afraid 3D World is going to take away sales from BF4. Nintendo's consoles/games just appeal primarily to a very different demographic. The third party games that don't appeal to the Nintendo audience generally aren't seen as being worth the effort of porting for most major publishers.





You could call it bias, or you could call it alternative motive. Several key third parties do not want Nintendo to be the platform of choice for hardware, because they do not want to compete against their software. EA is in this category. A few, like Take-Two, seem to have a mild bias and just prefer to work on other platforms. There are bias in favor of Nintendo too, like Shin'en for example, developers that grew up with Nintendo products and dreamed of making products for them. Other companies, like Ubisoft or Activision just want to make money and will put games on Nintendo platforms if it makes sense, but sometimes promote other versions because they were given money to do so.

But bias definitely exists.



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burning_phoneix said:
bubblegamer said:
burning_phoneix said:
spemanig said:
bubblegamer said:
Because the whole definition of bias playing a role, where money is the only driving force, in the business making decisions of corporations is utterly unrealistic.


^


It might be shocking to many people but corprations are actually run by human beings, with motivations and feelings too! I KNOW! SHOCKING!

 

While usually, corprations will try to maximize profit at all time, there is precedent for personal feelings getting in the way of decision making. Hell, the original Playstation was released out of pride rather than careful financial analysis.

And this happens EVERY time AND to EVERY corporation? I see. Must be nice to belive things that suit your part of view.


I never said anything about any company having a bias against Nintendo (my post before that simply puts the lack of 3rd parties on Nintendo platforms due to increased competition: a financial rather than personal factor).

I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's not unheard of for personal grudges to get in the way of business. It's not "utterly unrealistic" as you state.

Sounds to me like you're arguing for arguing's sake. We are talking in the context of Nintendo and third party support. Since they have almost no support from third parties, you can't say they all are biased, hence my comment.



Thought it was universally known that Nintendo's hardware doesn't take 3rd parties into consideration and their lack of support is the backlash.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Maybe my comprehension skills sucks, but I found no correlation between OP's title and OP's OC.



Wright said:

Maybe my comprehension skills sucks, but I found no correlation between OP's title and OP's OC.


That's supposed to be ''smart''



Wright said:

Maybe my comprehension skills sucks, but I found no correlation between OP's title and OP's OC.


Yes, it had to do with bias in the gaming industry, but it wasn't about Nintendo.