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Was DVD desperate when films released on VHS were re-released on DVD? How about VHS, for films never released on that originally?
How about adaptations of historical novels, "The Bible(tm)" and so on?  They were made as books and they should stay that way!



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the-pi-guy said:
mutantsushi said:
the-pi-guy said:
Anyway I agree. Blu-ray is making ports of those older movies and it's sad. Can't we get any new movies? I can't believe they are forcing us to buy upgraded copies of movies. My older DVD copies seem to have stopped working. Why Blu-ray? WHY?

If you already have the DVD and it works, no reason you have to replace it.
If you are going to buy/rent a new disc of the movie, what is so strange about it being released in the best modern format?
Are you complaining that original Star Wars is not continuing to be produced in VHS format?
The people who would buy/rent Bluray have a blu-ray player and almost certainly a HD TV.
Why would they not want to take advantage of those capabilities?, that is what they bought the player/TV for.

I was being sarcastic I should probably put in a note of that. I agree with everything you said.

Ha! Please don't blame me, it's hard to tell with so many other posters writing stuff indistinguishable from that, without apparent sarcasm.



theprof00 said:

@bolded- You're right. Some were nearly 1000$. A 600$ ps3 was literally described as the best BR player on the market for the price.

Maybe you've missed it, but we aren't talking about BR in it's 7th year of life, we are talking about when BR was first released, where there were droughts. When porting Harry Potter meant the studio couldn't port casablanca (for instance) and studios had to decide which movies to port and which could wait.

The problem with the "disappointment" is that the people saying "we'd rather have a new game than a port" are being ridiculous. That was never a choice. The choice was "port or no port", not "port or new game". It's not a big deal, and it's not a valid complaint. The only criticism that even has any merit would be that of the ps3 owner who bought last of us thinking it would be exclusive, but was planning to buy a ps4 and could've saved his money for the ps4 version.

You can try to rationalize it all you want, you're still comparing two different markets. People buy these Bluray machines to play the exact same movies only with better resolution and potentially sound. You can watch The Matrix on DVD and BR back to back. On BR the movie looks sharper and can sound better, but it's still the exact same lines, same dialogue. People don't buy new consoles to play the exact same games with higher resolution.

Honestly, if you were in line somewhere and you saw some dude returning a Bluray because it was the exact same movie he already owns on DVD, wouldn't you think he is a moron? Meanwhile if the next gen exclusive Ass Creed came out and turned out to be just Ass Creed 2 with HD graphics and better sound, people would go apeshit. There are different expectations and demands because they are two different markets. So yes, I can see someone buying an HD version of a movie they already own because they want to watch that movie in HD. I can also see someone buying an HD version of a game they already own because they want to play it in HD. And at the same time, I can see someone being bummed/pissed that they want a new experience for their new console and all Sony has for them until The Order is an HD port of a game released less than a year ago that they likely have already played.

The bolded part just shows how opinions work. You say a person who bought LoU thinking it was PS3 exclusive has a right to complain, why? There is no logical reason. Just like there is no proof that Sony was in a position to make this port or make a whole new next gen game, there's no proof Sony ever said LoU was a forever ironclad PS3 exclusive. Yet, in your opinion, that complaint has merit. Well, in my opinion, the other complaint has merit. Isn't it grand? Toodles.



J_Allard said:
theprof00 said:

@bolded- You're right. Some were nearly 1000$. A 600$ ps3 was literally described as the best BR player on the market for the price.

Maybe you've missed it, but we aren't talking about BR in it's 7th year of life, we are talking about when BR was first released, where there were droughts. When porting Harry Potter meant the studio couldn't port casablanca (for instance) and studios had to decide which movies to port and which could wait.

The problem with the "disappointment" is that the people saying "we'd rather have a new game than a port" are being ridiculous. That was never a choice. The choice was "port or no port", not "port or new game". It's not a big deal, and it's not a valid complaint. The only criticism that even has any merit would be that of the ps3 owner who bought last of us thinking it would be exclusive, but was planning to buy a ps4 and could've saved his money for the ps4 version.

You can try to rationalize it all you want, you're still comparing two different markets. People buy these Bluray machines to play the exact same movies only with better resolution and potentially sound. You can watch The Matrix on DVD and BR back to back. On BR the movie looks sharper and can sound better, but it's still the exact same lines, same dialogue. People don't buy new consoles to play the exact same games with higher resolution.

Honestly, if you were in line somewhere and you saw some dude returning a Bluray because it was the exact same movie he already owns on DVD, wouldn't you think he is a moron? Meanwhile if the next gen exclusive Ass Creed came out and turned out to be just Ass Creed 2 with HD graphics and better sound, people would go apeshit. There are different expectations and demands because they are two different markets. So yes, I can see someone buying an HD version of a movie they already own because they want to watch that movie in HD. I can also see someone buying an HD version of a game they already own because they want to play it in HD. And at the same time, I can see someone being bummed/pissed that they want a new experience for their new console and all Sony has for them until The Order is an HD port of a game released less than a year ago that they likely have already played.

The bolded part just shows how opinions work. You say a person who bought LoU thinking it was PS3 exclusive has a right to complain, why? There is no logical reason. Just like there is no proof that Sony was in a position to make this port or make a whole new next gen game, there's no proof Sony ever said LoU was a forever ironclad PS3 exclusive. Yet, in your opinion, that complaint has merit. Well, in my opinion, the other complaint has merit. Isn't it grand? Toodles.

@bolded, you're implying that my point is "people bought BR players to watch the same movies they had on dvd in HD". That is 'similar' to my point, but not actually my point. That is called a strawman argument. People buy BR players to watch movies in general in HD, regardless if it's a brand new release or an old movie. On the flip side of that strawman, people also didn't buy BR to watch ONLY new releases on BR.But you're right, they don't buy new consoles to play the exact same games with higher res. Remasters are just part of the total package/library, something a BR convert would also appreciate.

@Underlined
You're saying that the ass-creed example is comparable to Last of Us? It's completely different. Secondly, I wouldn't judge someone who was returning a BR if he already had the DVD. Maybe he's just not that into HD, or maybe just didn't think the BR was worth the price. That ass creed example has only ever happened once in gaming, and it was current gen not cross gen...it was fifa. Now, if EA actually did that with Fifa, just making it 1080 and improving the character models and adding all new modes (basically what Last of Us is getting), then I'd say EA could get away with that.

@italicized
You're still ignoring what I just said though. You're just repeating yourself after I provided new information. THere was never a choice between new game or port. It was port or no port. Being upset at the lackluster library is one thing. It's ok to be disappointed that there are only 5 AAA games on the system, kinda childish and spoiled to expect a huge first year lineup, but understandable. What's not understandable is pointing at tLoU and putting blame on that.

@boldedunderlined
That is not an opinion, that is fact. Do not go and try to undermine fact as if it's all just a part of someone's wild argument. You cannot compare that with thinking that a game coming out might remain platform exclusive. It's quite logical to think that someone might assume that a title would stay platform specific for at least a few years. This has never really happened before. Gamers wouldn't expect a port, and with no announcement, it would seem very plausible that if you wanted to play TLoU, you would have to buy it on ps3....

 

Your arguments are really not making a valid point here. You're just twisting things around. I don't even think you've continued to press your point here that it's OK that people are upset. Buried in your post is "And at the same time, I can see someone being bummed/pissed that they want a new experience for their new console and all Sony has for them until The Order is an HD port of a game released less than a year ago that they likely have already played." It's really the only thing you've put toward your argument again...but you haven't elucidated anything, you've just repeated your previous stance on it, while later in your post saying that the "port or no port" argument is just opinion.



theprof00 said:

Your arguments are really not making a valid point here. You're just twisting things around. I don't even think you've continued to press your point here that it's OK that people are upset. Buried in your post is "And at the same time, I can see someone being bummed/pissed that they want a new experience for their new console and all Sony has for them until The Order is an HD port of a game released less than a year ago that they likely have already played." It's really the only thing you've put toward your argument again...but you haven't elucidated anything, you've just repeated your previous stance on it, while later in your post saying that the "port or no port" argument is just opinion.


My arguments are:

1. Your Bluray analogy is extremely weak as the markets are just too different
2. People can take issue with this HD port on multiple levels

Whether you think they are valid or not is irrelevant to me. I have stated my opinions and backed them up with logic, and they are easy to understand. You can agree or disagree, that's really all there is to it. Don't know how much more elucidated you need it. Maybe let me know where you're getting lost? Idk.

And how is port or no port anything other than speculation? Do you work at Sony? Do you know what resources went into this versus something else, and whether or not focusing development and money elsewhere would have brought something else to the PS4? No, you don't. You're guessing, aka stating an opinion. It's no different than all the people who go on and on about how MS should spend money on games instead of the NFL or TV. I hope that helps, last I will be posting on the subject.



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J_Allard said:
theprof00 said:

Your arguments are really not making a valid point here. You're just twisting things around. I don't even think you've continued to press your point here that it's OK that people are upset. Buried in your post is "And at the same time, I can see someone being bummed/pissed that they want a new experience for their new console and all Sony has for them until The Order is an HD port of a game released less than a year ago that they likely have already played." It's really the only thing you've put toward your argument again...but you haven't elucidated anything, you've just repeated your previous stance on it, while later in your post saying that the "port or no port" argument is just opinion.


My arguments are:

1. Your Bluray analogy is extremely weak as the markets are just too different
2. People can take issue with this HD port on multiple levels

Whether you think they are valid or not is irrelevant to me. I have stated my opinions and backed them up with logic, and they are easy to understand. You can agree or disagree, that's really all there is to it. Don't know how much more elucidated you need it. Maybe let me know where you're getting lost? Idk.

3. And how is port or no port anything other than speculation? Do you work at Sony? Do you know what resources went into this versus something else, and whether or not focusing development and money elsewhere would have brought something else to the PS4? No, you don't. You're guessing, aka stating an opinion. It's no different than all the people who go on and on about how MS should spend money on games instead of the NFL or TV. I hope that helps, last I will be posting on the subject.

1. Your Bluray analogy is extremely weak as the markets are just too different
What is your case? You haven't explained one except for saying "they are different"

2.  People can take issue with this HD port on multiple levels
Because?

3. Because the ease of porting is well documented in the industry. It's really remarkable that you don't know that.  Naughty Dog is currently working on Uncharted. We've already seen character models and a trailer. How is there a question about port or game when we already know they're working on Uncharted?

If all your argument rests on how difficult porting is, I'll be happy to fix your understanding.