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Is it time to buy a Wii U?

Yes 205 73.48%
 
No 72 25.81%
 
Total:277

It total, the Fatal Frame series has sold 590,000 units. It might sell better than the others, but that isn't saying much.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
Michael-5 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:
Michael-5 said:

I hear there will be a Mario Kart Bundle coming out soon. With a bundle which finally includes a good game, yes it is.


They may not interest you, just like they don't interest me very much, but make no mistake, NSMBU + NSLU, Nintendo Land, and WWHD are good games for sure!

Wind Waker is good, but I already beat it on Gamecube, and the other two are average at best. NSMB lacks the creativity that NSMB 2/3/World/Wii had and is merely an HD skin to an old Formula. Nintendoland is inferior to Mario Party/Wii Sports.

So you use the fail reviewer logic of deeming a game bad simply because it had previous releases, yet you still deem an exact copy of a 10 year old game good. lawlz! Also, not that these games are even comparable, but you're seriously gonna say Wii Sports is better!? It's a terrible game! No depth to it's gameplay and very little content compared to Nintendo Land. And even if it is inferior to Mario Party, that doesn't mean it can't be a good game still! 

Good point about Zelda, but I expect more from a new game. NSMB Wii/U both aren't that good in the first place, so NSMBU needed a lot more then an HD skin.

Also I disagree with you about Wii Sports. It lacked content yes, but the minigames were accessible for all and well thought out. I still play Wii Tennis.



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Michael-5 said:

Good point about Zelda, but I expect more from a new game. NSMB Wii/U both aren't that good in the first place, so NSMBU needed a lot more then an HD skin.

Also I disagree with you about Wii Sports. It lacked content yes, but the minigames were accessible for all and well thought out. I still play Wii Tennis.


What makes the NSMB series not that good? I've played all of them except the Wii version, and I can't point out anything inherently bad about them. And cmon, a 5 year old coulda made Wii Sports, though I guess that's why it's easily accessible! High accessibility doesn't automatically mean good game though, see most mobile games. 



Einsam_Delphin said:
Michael-5 said:

Good point about Zelda, but I expect more from a new game. NSMB Wii/U both aren't that good in the first place, so NSMBU needed a lot more then an HD skin.

Also I disagree with you about Wii Sports. It lacked content yes, but the minigames were accessible for all and well thought out. I still play Wii Tennis.


What makes the NSMB series not that good? I've played all of them except the Wii version, and I can't point out anything inherently bad about them. And cmon, a 5 year old coulda made Wii Sports, though I guess that's why it's easily accessible! High accessibility doesn't automatically mean good game though, see most mobile games. 

Nothing unique about NSMB, Wii has a 420p skin on a 20 year old series, which was still nice for Nostalgia purposes and decent co-op. NSMBU needs more.

I mean when you look at SMB 2/3/World, each game added something completely different. 2 had Birdo and new characters, 3 had the racoon suit and well thought out levels and World introduced Yoshi who now has it's own franchise. NSMBW/U didn't introduce new elements to the franchise, they are far too consivative to be revolutionary and good.

Wii Sports might be a fairly basic game, but so was Tetris. It's a very well thought out game, something which gamers and non-gamers alike found appealing and increadibly addictive. NintendoLand might be fun, but it's only fun because you appreciate Nintendo's franchises and like Nintendo brand mini games. The games themselves are hardly revolutionary or even unique.

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Wind Waker is good because it's an HD remake of a quality game and the new lighting system really makes the graphics really stand out. It's nothing particularly special since it's just a remake, but definately a great reason to buy the console if you haven't beaten the game yet. I would say the same thing about an Ocarina of Time 3DS bundle, or going back a Pokemon HeartGold-DS bundle.



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Michael-5 said:

Nothing unique about NSMB, Wii has a 420p skin on a 20 year old series, which was still nice for Nostalgia purposes and decent co-op. NSMBU needs more.

I mean when you look at SMB 2/3/World, each game added something completely different. 2 had Birdo and new characters, 3 had the racoon suit and well thought out levels and World introduced Yoshi who now has it's own franchise. NSMBW/U didn't introduce new elements to the franchise, they are far too consivative to be revolutionary and good.

Wii Sports might be a fairly basic game, but so was Tetris. It's a very well thought out game, something which gamers and non-gamers alike found appealing and increadibly addictive. NintendoLand might be fun, but it's only fun because you appreciate Nintendo's franchises and like Nintendo brand mini games. The games themselves are hardly revolutionary or even unique.

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Wind Waker is good because it's an HD remake of a quality game and the new lighting system really makes the graphics really stand out. It's nothing particularly special since it's just a remake, but definately a great reason to buy the console if you haven't beaten the game yet. I would say the same thing about an Ocarina of Time 3DS bundle, or going back a Pokemon HeartGold-DS bundle.

Again, you're using fail reviewer logic. Firstly, unique, revolutionary, etc. does not automatically mean good game, and being the first to do something does not mean you're the best at it. New instalments and sequels generally mean refinements to the gameplay and new additions n features. Secondly, if you believe SMB 2/3/World to be good games, and also believe the NSMB series did nothing different, then you're contradicting yourself by saying NSMB is inferior to the orginal games. Afterall it can't be worse and the same, that makes no sense! Thirdly, not everyone has played every Mario game, meaning the whole "but it's a sequel!" reasoning is not always relevant, hence should not be a factor when objectively determining a games quality. So let me ask again but a bit differently. Can you tell me what's bad about NSMBU without mentioning previous instalments?

I don't care about Tetris, I don't care about how well thought it is or isn't, and I certainly don't care about what people find appealing, not when we're talking about Wii Sports and Nintendo Land, as none of those things have any impact on game quality! Only the actual games themselves do! Once again, Wii Sports is majorly lacking in depth and content. Only 5 games with no variable modes, and there's not much to these games, so it gets real repetitive real fast. Tennis is the worst, as all you do is waggle the Wiimote when the ball get's near your Mii. Can't even move your Mii. Same deal with Boxing and Baseball, but it's a tiny step up with the latter game as there's three different actions in this game, being throwing, catching, and hitting. Yeah, that's so revolutionary! Nope, the only revolutionary and unique thing about Wii Sports was how you played the game, not the actual game itself. I take it you haven't even played Nintendo Land, as how else can you say it's games aren't unique with a straight face. Unlike Wii Sports, some of it's games like Luigi's Ghost Mansion and Mario Chase wouldn't even be possible without the controller.



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JWeinCom said:
It's a pretty niche game, so it's not going to be a massive system seller, but nice for the people who love the series.

Any game franchise has the theoretical potential to be made big enough to be a massive system seller. Without knowing more than "it's Fatal Frame for the Wii U", you can't know for certain that it will be niche. Of course, the chances of it being big is relatively small, given the history of the franchise, but if I'm not mistaken, this is the first major console release of a game in the franchise since Nintendo became co-owner of it. Nintendo may have had more influence on development of this game, and it could theoretically have made it better. I guess we'll see when more info about the game is released.



Einsam_Delphin said:
Michael-5 said:

Nothing unique about NSMB, Wii has a 420p skin on a 20 year old series, which was still nice for Nostalgia purposes and decent co-op. NSMBU needs more.

I mean when you look at SMB 2/3/World, each game added something completely different. 2 had Birdo and new characters, 3 had the racoon suit and well thought out levels and World introduced Yoshi who now has it's own franchise. NSMBW/U didn't introduce new elements to the franchise, they are far too consivative to be revolutionary and good.

Wii Sports might be a fairly basic game, but so was Tetris. It's a very well thought out game, something which gamers and non-gamers alike found appealing and increadibly addictive. NintendoLand might be fun, but it's only fun because you appreciate Nintendo's franchises and like Nintendo brand mini games. The games themselves are hardly revolutionary or even unique.

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Wind Waker is good because it's an HD remake of a quality game and the new lighting system really makes the graphics really stand out. It's nothing particularly special since it's just a remake, but definately a great reason to buy the console if you haven't beaten the game yet. I would say the same thing about an Ocarina of Time 3DS bundle, or going back a Pokemon HeartGold-DS bundle.

Again, you're using fail reviewer logic. Firstly, unique, revolutionary, etc. does not automatically mean good game, and being the first to do something does not mean you're the best at it. New instalments and sequels generally mean refinements to the gameplay and new additions n features. Secondly, if you believe SMB 2/3/World to be good games, and also believe the NSMB series did nothing different, then you're contradicting yourself by saying NSMB is inferior to the orginal games. Afterall it can't be worse and the same, that makes no sense! Thirdly, not everyone has played every Mario game, meaning the whole "but it's a sequel!" reasoning is not always relevant, hence should not be a factor when objectively determining a games quality. So let me ask again but a bit differently. Can you tell me what's bad about NSMBU without mentioning previous instalments?

I don't care about Tetris, I don't care about how well thought it is or isn't, and I certainly don't care about what people find appealing, not when we're talking about Wii Sports and Nintendo Land, as none of those things have any impact on game quality! Only the actual games themselves do! Once again, Wii Sports is majorly lacking in depth and content. Only 5 games with no variable modes, and there's not much to these games, so it gets real repetitive real fast. Tennis is the worst, as all you do is waggle the Wiimote when the ball get's near your Mii. Can't even move your Mii. Same deal with Boxing and Baseball, but it's a tiny step up with the latter game as there's three different actions in this game, being throwing, catching, and hitting. Yeah, that's so revolutionary! Nope, the only revolutionary and unique thing about Wii Sports was how you played the game, not the actual game itself. I take it you haven't even played Nintendo Land, as how else can you say it's games aren't unique with a straight face. Unlike Wii Sports, some of it's games like Luigi's Ghost Mansion and Mario Chase wouldn't even be possible without the controller.

I have never heard this term "fail reviewer logic" before. A remake of a AAA game done well enough to take advantages of modern technologies is still a great game. NSMBU fails to take advantage of WiiU's power and lack the creativity of the original games. Therefor it's not good, average at best.

NSMB did nothing difference, but it is worse (and yet the same). See new elemenets were added to SMB2/3/W, stuff that was unique at the time. These elemenets are what made the game great and fresh. NSMBU is more of the same, nothing new was added and the formula is 20 years old. So therefore it's not particularly good, even though it's the same core game as 20+ years ago. No contradiction.

A similar logic would be Super Mario Galaxy. It's the same game as Super Mario 64, but spherical gravity changes gameplay, making the whole game feel new and unique. SMG is great, but I can't say the same for 3D Land/World.

As for you're "it's a sequel comment" being a sequel is not why it's an average game. It's a sequel to a 20+ year old franchise, with HD skins. Games have evolved over the past 20 years, so being amazing in 1990 is not enough to be amazing in 2012. What's bad about NSMBU? Forced to use that tiny D-pad, gameplay is no more advanced then a Smartphone/portable game, and the whole gameplay is just so dated.

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Being well thought out and appealing directly relates to quality and generally sales. Before Tetris people didn't really play portable games, but that all changed because of a simple, easy to pick up and put down "mini-game" like Tetris. GB had a lot of great games in the early 90's too, Link's Awakening being one of them, but it wasn't until Pokemon before people realized that some games are just better suited for handhelds. Pokemon was a well thought out, handheld exclusive game, one which incorporated trading (something which couldn't be done before internet was widespread at homes).

Tetris, Pokemon and Wii Sports are amazing games because they changed the way people played games. There was an untapped market for a new genre of games and these entries fleshed it out. While Wii Sports/Tetris might be basic, they are increadibly addictive and well thought out games. I mean I still play Tetris on my laptop because of how simple & fun it is, and I can see myself playing games like Wii Sports (if not Wii Sports) in the years to come because of how simple and fun it is.

You might love NintendoLand, but it isn't exactly revolutionary like the 3 examples I mentioned. It doesn't push the envelope for gaming, nor change how people play. It doesn't make the Gamepad a must have accessory for gaming. Yes games like Luigi's Ghost take great advantage of the handheld screen, but minigames like this already existed on the PC for years (where people would play over the internet).

While the quality of NintendoLand might be superior to Wii Sports, it's not a must have game like Wii Sports is, that's my point. You might like it, great, but most people will just think "meh" to it. If it weren't for the Nintendo theme of the game, I think this would be a largely forgetable experience (much like say PilotWings for 3DS).



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I will buy it. There is nothing more sexy than playing a horror game with your loved one.



He-Man said:
I will buy it. There is nothing more sexy than playing a horror game with your loved one.


Too scared to play it alone!!



POE said:
He-Man said:
I will buy it. There is nothing more sexy than playing a horror game with your loved one.


Too scared to play it alone!!

I am He-Man, master of the universe, I am afraid of nothing. Except spiders of course.