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Zero999 said:

ps4 is doing worse than wii u and in another 2 or 3 weeks, will be tracking bellow ps3 too. there's a 1.2kk gap between wii u and ps4 and everything points to the gap increasing a lot in 2014. what exactly points to ps4 surpassing wii u?

What the fuck are you talking about? How does ps4 outselling wii u every week point to gap increasing?



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Zero999 said:
DerNebel said:

You do realize that the Wii U is tracking below the PS3, right? So, your whole snarky "the PS4 should try to sell better than the PS3 first"-comment is like saying "If your console wants to outsell my console, then it should first try and outsell this console, that was doing better than my console", which makes absolutely no sense. At least check your facts before posting.

ps4 is doing worse than wii u and in another 2 or 3 weeks, will be tracking bellow ps3 too. there's a 1.2kk gap between wii u and ps4 and everything points to the gap increasing a lot in 2014. what exactly points to ps4 surpassing wii u?

Read my post before you freaking respond, nothing you said had anything to with what I said to you.



Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:

ps4 is doing worse than wii u and in another 2 or 3 weeks, will be tracking bellow ps3 too. there's a 1.2kk gap between wii u and ps4 and everything points to the gap increasing a lot in 2014. what exactly points to ps4 surpassing wii u?

What the fuck are you talking about? How does ps4 outselling wii u every week point to gap increasing?

ps4 barely outselling wii u + not having anything relevant that we know of in the near future + wii u having MK8, smash bros, X, Zelda, Bayonetta 2... = the gap increasing a lot.



Zero999 said:
Max King of the Wild said:


and two weeks from then ps4 will increase again. Has the relization that the ps4 will outsell wii u set in yet? Wii U dropped to 3k last year. Looks like it will drop just as low ths year too

bold: why would i realize something that won't happen? ps4 should focus on keep tracking ahead of ps3 before thinking about outselling wii u. but soon it will be tracking bellow ps3 too.





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DerNebel said:
Zero999 said:

ps4 is doing worse than wii u and in another 2 or 3 weeks, will be tracking bellow ps3 too. there's a 1.2kk gap between wii u and ps4 and everything points to the gap increasing a lot in 2014. what exactly points to ps4 surpassing wii u?

Read my post before you freaking respond, nothing you said had anything to with what I said to you.

IF wii u is tracking lower than ps3 now, it's still not relevant. I pointed ps4 doing worse than wii u and even ps3 on the first months, wich certainly won't help it when it has the same age as wii u now.



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Zero999 said:
DerNebel said:

Read my post before you freaking respond, nothing you said had anything to with what I said to you.

IF wii u is tracking lower than ps3 now, it's still not relevant. I pointed ps4 doing worse than wii u and even ps3 on the first months, wich certainly won't help it when it has the same age as wii u now.

You're doing it again, you can't say "worse than the Wii U and even the PS3" when the PS3 was actually doing better than the Wii U is, that doesn't make sense.



DerNebel said:
Zero999 said:
DerNebel said:

Read my post before you freaking respond, nothing you said had anything to with what I said to you.

IF wii u is tracking lower than ps3 now, it's still not relevant. I pointed ps4 doing worse than wii u and even ps3 on the first months, wich certainly won't help it when it has the same age as wii u now.

You're doing it again, you can't say "worse than the Wii U and even the PS3" when the PS3 was actually doing better than the Wii U is, that doesn't make sense.

In case you didn't notice, the wii u is older. if ps3 is actually tracking ahead of wii u, it did so after a while. for the period of the first 8 weeks, wii u is a lot higher than ps3 and ps4 and soon, ps4 will be lower than ps3 without any relevant release to change that.



small44 said:
binary solo said:
small44 said:
binary solo said:

A 360 game charts but no PS4 games. Dem digital sales I guess...fingers crossed.

Hardware...*shrugs*

This game will disapear the next week

Indeed, but the point is PS4 will continue to languish in the low teens while there are no games charting inthe top ten. It could well drop to Wii U levels at somepoint.

your comment make me believe you find this fact is something unexpected it's been 8 weeks that ps4 is released in Japan i and those games are cross-generation t's normal that they not on the chart anymore and after launch there was only 2 new release Natural Doctrine and a demo of mgs it's normal that they dissapear rapidly.

Depends what you mean by unexpected. With the software library as it stand the PS4 number, if anything, is unexpectedly high. But that it is in the low teens is probably what should be expected in a country where the home console market is probably shrinking moreso than any other major market.

Other than that my comment was merely an observation of what's likely to be a future reality without regular releases of games that appeal to the japanese gamer. What will be itneresting to see is if these games do come, whether PS4 can lift baseline sales long term, or if they stay historically low, for what we assume will be the number one console in Japan for gen 8. Though that crown could go to Wii U.



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Shadow1980 said:
Zero999 said:

probably bellow 5k untill relevant things release.

The Wii U only dropped below 5k twice in Japan prior to October 2013 when they were on the verge of new bundles. You really are convinced that Japanese gamers are going to reject the PS4 more than they have the Wii U, aren't you? I tell you what. Let's have a friendly little bet, one Nintendo fan to another. In fact, let's make it a two-parter. You already have a bet with someone else about Wii U vs. PS4 sales over both system's lifetimes, a bet that will take years to resolve, so let's you and I go more short term:

1) I bet you that the PS4 will sell more this quarter than the Wii U did its first spring quarter. According to Media Create, the Wii U sold 106,041 units in Japan during the April-June quarter last year, an average of 8157 per week. If the PS4 sells more than that MC weeks 14 to 26, I win. If it sells less, you win. The loser has to put "I bet [winner's name] that the PS4 would sell [more/less] in Q2 2014 than the Wii U did in Q2 2013. I lost," into to their signature for a month.

2) I bet you that the PS4 will sell more in its first 13 months than the Wii U did. I'm choosing 13 months instead of a year so both systems will have both had a holiday season in addition to their launch period. Of course, Japanese trackers go by weeks, not months like the NPD does, so let's go with 57 weeks, which is a year and five weeks. According to MC, the Wii U sold 1,576,701 units from launch to the week ending Jan. 5, 2014. If the PS4 sells more than that by the week ending March 29, 2015, I win, and if it doesn't, you win. The loser has to put "I bet [winner's name] that the PS4 would sell [more/less] in its first 13 months than the Wii U did. I lost," only this time they have to keep it in their sig for three months.

And to make things more interesting, if either one of us loses both of those, they must voluntarily subject themselves to a temporary ban, say, one day for every 10,000 units difference between the PS4 and Wii U at the end of their 57th sales week. We'll round to the nearest ten-thousand. So, if by the week ending March 29, 2015 the PS4 beats the Wii U in launch-aligned sales by, say, 47,500 units, you get banned for five days. If the PS4 is trailing the Wii U by 241,000 units, I get banned for 24 days. Once their ban is up, then the three months of declaring one's loss of part 2 begin.

Sound like a deal? Note that you have to agree to the whole thing, not just one part. The offer expires when next week's MC & Famitsu numbers come out, that way neither of us can decide to bail if the PS4 does better or worse than the other was expecting. Take it or leave it.

I'd take the part 2, not the whole thing.



Shadow1980 said:
Zero999 said:

I'd take the part 2, not the whole thing.

It's not a buffet, dude. Like I said, take the whole thing or don't. If you're that confident that the PS4 will keep bleeding out and drop to sub-5k figures, then I'm sure you don't have a problem with agreeing to all of it. If you really think the PS4 will consistently underperform compared to the Wii U, then put your money where your mouth is. I listened to you repeat the same tired routine where you compared the PS4's first few weeks to the Wii U's as if it actually implied something about the PS4's performance (which it doesn't, because the PS4 wasn't a holiday release). Now put up or shut up.

it's not ps4 versus wii u first weeks, it's ps4 vs everything first weeks and it's doing terrible. don't be so provocative, I'm not forced to bet anything. And I'm not saying it will go to sub 5k imedeately either.