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which do you think is the worst generation?

Gen 1 78 15.57%
 
Gen 2 31 6.19%
 
Gen 3 7 1.40%
 
Gen 4 6 1.20%
 
Gen 5 10 2.00%
 
Gen 6 25 4.99%
 
Gen 7 41 8.18%
 
Gen 8 132 26.35%
 
What do these F*cking numbers mean? 61 12.18%
 
show results. 107 21.36%
 
Total:498
Jumpin on 18 April 2014

It's not bad, but it does lack the massive excitement that last generation had early on.

3DS has been great so far. I think a lot of it has to do with a low outpit from Japan, and the major focus is on western games. The problem with western games is that they are all so similar, and are mostly generic and bland. There's only so many sports games and FPS titles, and other action games about a person with a gun, I can handle before getting bored of the genres, and that happened 2 generations ago.



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artur-fernand on 18 April 2014
curl-6 said:

Wii Sports still made the 7th gen feel fresh and exciting, because it was something altogether new.

And Zelda launched on Wii first, with the Gamecube version added later, so it debuted as a 7th gen launch title.

PS3/360 did indeed have dull beginnings, much like PS4/Xbone/Wii U, but the Wii was there to pick up the slack.

As someone who started gaming in the 4th gen, every prior generational transition I've lived through felt like a giant leap forward; 3D in the 5th gen, vastly more complex worlds in the 6th gen, motion gaming in the 7th. This one just feels like a shinier verson of last gen, minus the innovation.


Imagine this: The Last of Us is announced as a PS3 game, and around June, with the game ready to go, they come and say "you know what, let's wait another six months so it can be on PS4". November comes, the game is released, is GOTY and the whole thing.

Question: would the internet be praising the eight gen for its fantastic beginning, or lamenting on the fact that the most exciting game is "a 7th gen game with an 8th gen port"? It's a retorical question really.

 

And Wii Sports made the Wii look fresh and exciting (for a short while). And the Wii has been on a whole different market since the beginning, so when we look at only PS360, it's the exact same situation as the 8th, just like you said. Saying the generation is already lackluster is the very definition of "jumping the gun".



curl-6 on 18 April 2014
artur-fernand said:
curl-6 said:

Wii Sports still made the 7th gen feel fresh and exciting, because it was something altogether new.

And Zelda launched on Wii first, with the Gamecube version added later, so it debuted as a 7th gen launch title.

PS3/360 did indeed have dull beginnings, much like PS4/Xbone/Wii U, but the Wii was there to pick up the slack.

As someone who started gaming in the 4th gen, every prior generational transition I've lived through felt like a giant leap forward; 3D in the 5th gen, vastly more complex worlds in the 6th gen, motion gaming in the 7th. This one just feels like a shinier verson of last gen, minus the innovation.


Imagine this: The Last of Us is announced as a PS3 game, and around June, with the game ready to go, they come and say "you know what, let's wait another six months so it can be on PS4". November comes, the game is released, is GOTY and the whole thing.

Question: would the internet be praising the eight gen for its fantastic beginning, or lamenting on the fact that the most exciting game is "a 7th gen game with an 8th gen port"? It's a retorical question really.

 

And Wii Sports made the Wii look fresh and exciting (for a short while). And the Wii has been on a whole different market since the beginning, so when we look at only PS360, it's the exact same situation as the 8th, just like you said. Saying the generation is already lackluster is the very definition of "jumping the gun".

Zelda was seen as an exciting start for the Wii.

And I'm not saying the whole 8th gen will necessarily be lacklustre, and I'm just saying that so far it's lacklustre.



SvennoJ on 18 April 2014
curl-6 said:
 

Zelda was seen as an exciting start for the Wii.

And I'm not saying the whole 8th gen will necessarily be lacklustre, and I'm just saying that so far it's lacklustre.

TP was a bit of a let down actually after the long wait to get my hands on a Wii. My friends had already completed the game twice on the gamecube, first thing they said when I tried it, why is everything mirrored. It's the first Zelda I got bored with and did not finish.

By TP's logic: This gen started great with open world sailing in AC4. Loved it, lots to explore, looked great too.
Ofcourse if you say this gen started end 2012, then wow we got the last of us at the start of the 8th gen, ported to a 7th gen console for early access.

Nonsense aside, TP was a late 6th gen game. I regretted not playing it on GC as the tacked on motion controls weren't worth losing camera control for. Wii sports was exciting for a while, yet the Wii fell short of my expectations after the long wait. Zack & Wiki and Mario Galaxy redeemed the system, but that wasn't until end October. I have already enjoyed more WiiU titles than I had Wii titles in the same time frame, this gen is fine.



bigtakilla on 18 April 2014
FinalFantasyXIII said:
vfguy said:
FinalFantasyXIII said:
vfguy said:

A 4k remaster is still "just" 1080p on Bluray.

Bluray (and physical media in general) is going to have even less of an impact on this generation than the last.

While 4k Bluray XL, or whatever they are called, might be in the pipeline, the future is clearly streaming or download, even in 4k. Nobody, outside of gamers apparently, wants physical media.


Well no crap dude!I also love the ability of streaming Netflix and Amazon Prime movies instantly to both TV's in my home, but guessy what?

I freaking love lossless DTS HD 5.1/True Dolby/LPCM! I also like knowing there are certain movies I have, that are on the best possible format (blu-ray 4k remaster to 2k or 1080p instead of DVD) to experience that can be had for a reasonable or fantastic pricing! Which makes Blu-Ray more of a draw this gen than last gen for myself.

Take a look at the big picture! It is not a pick and choose only universe we live in (unless you only own a Wii U and no Blu-Ray player and/or no 8th gen XB1/PS4), you can stream and have digital media that is far and away better, so guessy what? I choose both! You obviously limit yourself and choose 1, and are claiming some ridiculous claims. Why even post if you just make these absurd speculations that only gamers buy Blu_ray players? I know plenty of older folks that have only Blu-Ray players to play movies on and still go to Video rental stores to watch Blu Rays and DVDs still. I know, mind blowing right?!

Maybe you own a Wii U and have sour grapes, against the Blu-Ray format? It's the best format currently so deal with it, but I guess I'm asking way to much from yourself.

What is so ridiculous about my claims?

-People have shown in the past with CDs and today with Netflix that they prefer convenience and a lower price over quality. Physical media in general and Blu-Ray in particular are on their way out.  I agree that there is not yet an equivalent in terms of quality to BluRay, but it clearly never caught on like DVD did and never will.

-Even Sony's own 4k push here in Japan is based on download, not Blu-Ray.

-Why so butthurt about 4k masters? If you master something in 4k and then shrink it down to 1080p, that is still just 1080p.

-Everyone I know, perhaps those "older folks" you mention are the exception, are moving to digital of some kind. I don't know a single person who still buys physical media for their movies and music. This is clearly the trend. Why else do you think that special features on Blu-Rays have essentially disappeared in the past year or two (along with music and video stores)? 5-10 years ago, most of my friends had at least a small DVD/Blu-Ray collection with their favorite films, some TV shows, and some recent films. That is simply not the case anymore.

-Also, video rental stores? That is your argument? Video Rental stores!!!

-Because games are more expensive, some gamers still seem to want physical media because of the trade-in value/ability to buy used games, but that is not the case with other media anymore and will not be the case with games soon enough.

 

Edit: I am actually on my fifth BluRay player (2 stand-alone players, 2 PS3s, 1 Xbox One) and will soon buy a sixth when a PS4 limited edition of some kind is released in Japan. I bought and rented my fair share of movies between 2006 and 2010. These days, I only occasionaly rent movies on BluRay here in Japan at Tsutaya, but I haven't bought any movies in years. Even at $5 from Amazon, why would I need a movie on my shelf when I most likely wouldn't revisit it for years, if ever, and at that point I could just download it, rent it, or stream it.


By your logic almost half of the theaters in the USA should be out of buisness from streaming. Because, 40% of all theaters in the USA use 4k projectors. Did you even know this? People DO want quality obviously or else by your argument they'd all wait for the movies on Netflix.Nope people love 4k they love surround sound etc. So you're the kind of person who just buys into whatever argument can suit your defunct arguments. Have you been to a 4k theater in Japan yet, and didn't even notice what made the experience so great? 4k and HD digital surround sound are the main reasons. Popcorn and Pepsi's do help heehee. So yeah I want a great experience at home as well as the theatre.  I don't want 2 channel stereo and Netflix 5MBps compressed 1080p as my only solitary option.

(To the Butthurt comment) When I can have a closer to the theatre media, for a few of my all time favorite movies for such a great price... much less than a ticket at a single showing at a 4k cinema sometimes or very similar price I get excited. I doubt I'm the only person in the world you've spoke to thats said this. I usually spend 9.00 for 4k  movie ticket and/or 11.00 for Real 3D movie ticket. Most Blu-Rays on sales run same or less than 11.00, if you watch them 2x that is same price but you keep the movie for years and can re-experience it at your... well my liesure.

Yep my parents still go out on the weekends after dinner and what not and get a video or 2 at the video store, the place gets plenty of buisness. They even have a Blu-Ray panasonic player and a 1080p screen. My mom is 63 lol, and definetly not a gamer. SO yeah people still go to the movie theaters, people still rent blu rays, and people gasp! still buy Blu Rays for home theater movie collections. This is pretty obvious stuff. Sorry but Netflix on a regular HD tv with stereo audio is just a quick and nasty way to enjoy movies, it's not even close to a wannabe home theatre setup. you sacrifice more than 2x the video quality and 2x the audio quality quite easily if not 4x-5x the overall quality imho with Netflix. But you have to understand most of the technical reasons like video Bit Rate/ Audio and video Compression. Then compare it to highly uncompressed video and lossless audio on at least 5.1 speakers with 500-1000 watts compared to two 5 or 10 watt hdtv speakers and no subwoofer to understand were I'm coming from. You can't.

Keep thinking everyone wants Netflix, which they do for the most part if they enjoy movies. I have it myself. I simply use it as a tool to watch content I wouldn't normally pick up, and then if I really like a movie+soundtrack then I'll buy the Blu-Ray when it is at a very competitive price on Amazon. For the high quality experience. I'm not alone but probably it is not the most popular modus operandi but it is how I choose to buy content. I really didn't begin buying blu rays until around the ps4 launch so I think blu rays will make gen 8 sell better and be more exciting than gen 7. That is all.

Unless you buy a cheap surround sound setup, the surround sound box has a bluray player. Your point is moot, and you don't need a PS4 for it unless you like wasting money running 3 boxes (PS4, surround sound, and tv).



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curl-6 on 18 April 2014
SvennoJ said:
curl-6 said:
 

Zelda was seen as an exciting start for the Wii.

And I'm not saying the whole 8th gen will necessarily be lacklustre, and I'm just saying that so far it's lacklustre.

TP was a bit of a let down actually after the long wait to get my hands on a Wii. My friends had already completed the game twice on the gamecube, first thing they said when I tried it, why is everything mirrored. It's the first Zelda I got bored with and did not finish.

By TP's logic: This gen started great with open world sailing in AC4. Loved it, lots to explore, looked great too.
Ofcourse if you say this gen started end 2012, then wow we got the last of us at the start of the 8th gen, ported to a 7th gen console for early access.

Nonsense aside, TP was a late 6th gen game. I regretted not playing it on GC as the tacked on motion controls weren't worth losing camera control for. Wii sports was exciting for a while, yet the Wii fell short of my expectations after the long wait. Zack & Wiki and Mario Galaxy redeemed the system, but that wasn't until end October. I have already enjoyed more WiiU titles than I had Wii titles in the same time frame, this gen is fine.

If TP launched on Gamecube first and was ported to Wii later I'd agree. But it didn't. It was foremost a Wii game, and sales reflect that.



SvennoJ on 18 April 2014
curl-6 said:

If TP launched on Gamecube first and was ported to Wii later I'd agree. But it didn't. It was foremost a Wii game, and sales reflect that.

It was ported to Wii
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-year

It just happened to release upto 3 weeks earlier to align with the Wii launch in different territories.



curl-6 on 18 April 2014
SvennoJ said:
curl-6 said:
 

If TP launched on Gamecube first and was ported to Wii later I'd agree. But it didn't. It was foremost a Wii game, and sales reflect that.

It was ported to Wii
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-year

It just happened to release upto 3 weeks earlier to align with the Wii launch in different territories.

But it actually released on Wii first, that's what matters. It made its debut as Wii launch title.

The Wii version makes up the vast majority of sales too, because that's what it was seen as, a Wii title.



Gnac on 18 April 2014
SvennoJ said:

TP was a bit of a let down actually after the long wait to get my hands on a Wii. My friends had already completed the game twice on the gamecube, first thing they said when I tried it, why is everything mirrored. It's the first Zelda I got bored with and did not finish.

By TP's logic: This gen started great with open world sailing in AC4. Loved it, lots to explore, looked great too.
Ofcourse if you say this gen started end 2012, then wow we got the last of us at the start of the 8th gen, ported to a 7th gen console for early access.

Nonsense aside, TP was a late 6th gen game. I regretted not playing it on GC as the tacked on motion controls weren't worth losing camera control for. Wii sports was exciting for a while, yet the Wii fell short of my expectations after the long wait. Zack & Wiki and Mario Galaxy redeemed the system, but that wasn't until end October. I have already enjoyed more WiiU titles than I had Wii titles in the same time frame, this gen is fine.

What

I have enjoyed both versions of TP extensively, and camera control was never an issue for me. Hold the C button on the nunchuck, and use the C-stick (or the aiming reticule) to look around. It's nowhere near as big a concern as accidentally using up a potion because the dialogue skip button is assigned to the B-trigger, which also happens to be the button to use an equipped item. Just as well that Rupees were easy to aquire in TP, not least by being able to slash through grass while running.

But I own both GC and Wii copies of the game, and have alternated between both on my periodic playthroughts, so what the hell should I know, eh.



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SvennoJ on 18 April 2014
Gnac said:

What

I have enjoyed both versions of TP extensively, and camera control was never an issue for me. Hold the C button on the nunchuck, and use the C-stick (or the aiming reticule) to look around. It's nowhere near as big a concern as accidentally using up a potion because the dialogue skip button is assigned to the B-trigger, which also happens to be the button to use an equipped item. Just as well that Rupees were easy to aquire in TP, not least by being able to slash through grass while running.

But I own both GC and Wii copies of the game, and have alternated between both on my periodic playthroughts, so what the hell should I know, eh.

I like to walk around and steer with the camera, sort of strafe while looking in different directions, scanning the environment. Having to stop to look up and down is very annoying. Playing Zelda Windwaker HD felt so much better than Skyward sword because of that. Freedom to look around anytime.