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bananaking21 on 13 April 2014
DucksUnlimited said:
bananaking21 said:
Zero999 said:

No, the gap will be a lot bigger by the year end.


wanna bet? 

That's just cold, man. Zero doesn't deserve this.

Seeing as how the bet is already on though, I would recommend betting copious amounts of money.


i want somehting worth more than money. i want VGChartz glory and bragging rights. 



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se7en7thre3 on 13 April 2014
Zero999 said:
se7en7thre3 said:
No, not if people keep choosing PS4 over XB1. And honestly, I feel its better for the VG industry to have *PS curb stomp MS this gen, and have them exit the home console market*. Why? Because then it forces Nintendo to pay attention/wake up and go after THAT market once again. And unlike the mid 90s, Nintendo & Sony are neck and neck in terms of $$$, Sony is no longer the super brand it once was ( would be much better competition this time around).





*or even Nintendo to exit and become a 3rd party dev, if necessary. I simply am not in favor of a 3 console market, I prefer 2)

bold: how can a company focus on a market "again" when it always focused on it?


You sincerely believe that?  That's like saying a person who's totally devoted to school, and brings home straight Cs on his report card.

Look at all the neg. feedback XB1 is receiving, for being a bit underpowered compared to PS4.  So yes, Ninty being so dramatically underpowered, is not sincerely going after that market or 3rd parties 100% aggressive as they should be. Instead, they came with power that was suitable for them, in their upgrade of Wii (a selfish move & not considerate of upgrading PS360, to go after THOSE fans).  With budget concerns, that gamepad should have been optional, & you already know "THAT MARKET" will not accept underpowered HW.    

I reiterate, if PS maintains dominance this gen and forces MS out, that I believe is the only way for Ninty to wake from their coma, to refocus on power/3rd parties & become that all around competitive console  once again.  With MS out of the way, again, P$ & Ninty are on a similar scale as far as CASH, meaning Sony cannot bully or buy their dominance in that 3rd party market.  Nintendo will not allow Sony to just have that market.   But as long as behemoth MS is in the picture, Ninty will never try to fight that beast, and will always play the humble, efficient little profit maker role.



Seece on 13 April 2014
Rustuv said:
Seece said:
radishhead said:
I feel like people are generally underestimating the Nintendo Christmas Effect as seems to happen every year - even the dead-Wii managed to pull off respectable sales during that period; the WiiU will do very well since it will also have games to sell itself.

Where was this last year???

It's a myth, it didn't happen before Wii and it hasn't happened after. It was just the Wii and DS selling well.

Heck even 3DS doesn't have the 'holiday effect' (it's novembers in the US are always weak) it just has the benefit of selling equally well in all three big regions.


Have you looked at their holiday numbers? Sure they weren't mind blowing, but they sold about 4-5 times as many WiiUs as they were selling before the holidays and also about 4-5 times as many as they are selling now. sounds like a Holiday effect to me.

Sounds like typical holiday sales hat every product gets. Vita was selling 7 x what it normally sells too. Every product does. That isn't what he meant by Nintendo holiday effect.



 

Torillian on 13 April 2014
Seece said:

Sounds like typical holiday sales hat every product gets. Vita was selling 7 x what it normally sells too. Every product does. That isn't what he meant by Nintendo holiday effect.


Very true, for a Nintendo holiday effect to have any baring on this thread's prediction Nintendo would have to get a larger bonus than the competitors.  If everyone gets a 200% bonus during the holidays that's actually going to work against Nintendo if the current sales spread remains the same.  



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Seece on 13 April 2014
Torillian said:
Seece said:

Sounds like typical holiday sales hat every product gets. Vita was selling 7 x what it normally sells too. Every product does. That isn't what he meant by Nintendo holiday effect.


Very true, for a Nintendo holiday effect to have any baring on this thread's prediction Nintendo would have to get a larger bonus than the competitors.  If everyone gets a 200% bonus during the holidays that's actually going to work against Nintendo if the current sales spread remains the same.  

Yeah, I never actually understood where this 'Nintendo holiday' effect came from. Wii and DS doing gangbusters over the holidays? It did well in the year too. Gamecube doing huge holiday numbers? I don't think so. I think it was just manufactured hype from bragging Nintendo fans last gen. If anything relative to all year round sales, the current holidays have been disappointing for Nintendo.

I mean heck, 3DS has barely crossed 1m in each Dec NPD and Nov fares even worse, don't even get me started on WiiU. 220k Nov 13 with Black Friday and 3D Mario??



 

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Zero999 on 13 April 2014
bananaking21 said:
Zero999 said:

fine. I win if by dec 31 2014, the gap between wii u and xone is bigger than it is now (with wii u>xone, obviously). you win on the opposite.


deal. just to make things straight. the gap now is around 1.9 million. in favor of Wiiu. if the gap closes by end of the year, even a bit. i win. if the gap increases in favore of the WiiU, even a bit. you win. if it stays a tie, i win, since your claim that it will be "alot bigger", but im letting it slide.

what are the stakes, a month of avatar and sig control? 

sig control.



Seece on 13 April 2014

MS are looking at 1m+ shipments for XB1 this Q bringing sales to 5m~ Nintendo will ship less than 390k like they themselves have forecast. So the shipment gap will be 1.3m~

Q2 should be a tie, Nintendo isn't going to be up YOY more than 400%, just crazy talk.

Rest of the year will go to XB1, just by sheer amount of big hitters (Destiny Sunset Overdrive ect in Q3 and Q4 having a crap tonne of games).



 

bananaking21 on 13 April 2014
Zero999 said:
bananaking21 said:
Zero999 said:

fine. I win if by dec 31 2014, the gap between wii u and xone is bigger than it is now (with wii u>xone, obviously). you win on the opposite.


deal. just to make things straight. the gap now is around 1.9 million. in favor of Wiiu. if the gap closes by end of the year, even a bit. i win. if the gap increases in favore of the WiiU, even a bit. you win. if it stays a tie, i win, since your claim that it will be "alot bigger", but im letting it slide.

what are the stakes, a month of avatar and sig control? 

sig control.

you got yourself a deal. 



DarkRPGamer007 on 13 April 2014

Depends on what Microsoft has planned. Halo 5 comes out before November XBOX One could shoot up and take over. If not, Wii U will be higher for 2014 at least.



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Rustuv on 15 April 2014
Seece said:
Rustuv said:
Seece said:
radishhead said:
I feel like people are generally underestimating the Nintendo Christmas Effect as seems to happen every year - even the dead-Wii managed to pull off respectable sales during that period; the WiiU will do very well since it will also have games to sell itself.

Where was this last year???

It's a myth, it didn't happen before Wii and it hasn't happened after. It was just the Wii and DS selling well.

Heck even 3DS doesn't have the 'holiday effect' (it's novembers in the US are always weak) it just has the benefit of selling equally well in all three big regions.


Have you looked at their holiday numbers? Sure they weren't mind blowing, but they sold about 4-5 times as many WiiUs as they were selling before the holidays and also about 4-5 times as many as they are selling now. sounds like a Holiday effect to me.

Sounds like typical holiday sales hat every product gets. Vita was selling 7 x what it normally sells too. Every product does. That isn't what he meant by Nintendo holiday effect.


forgive me I some how missed the part where he implied it only affected Nintendo.



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