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Zero999 on 12 April 2014
naruball said:
Zero999 said:

it's incredibly low, just like I expected. one week won't change that.


Wait, what? That's not what you expected. Nowhere near what you expected. It sold 320k and you predicted 140k. It sold more than double what you expected. I predicted that Modnation racers would sell 3m. It sold closer to 1m. My prediction was way off. I can't go around saying "well, I expected it to sell well, which it did, as I expected". 340k was by no means low. Why is it so hard for people to admit that they're wrong?

I was wrong for the prediction of 1 week, boo hoo. I also said it would freefall after launch, wich is exactly what happened.



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TanookiSuit123 on 12 April 2014

Hmmm... Vita doing well, 3DS too, PS4 is suprisingly quite disappointing and Wii U is too. Not great hardware sales this week but, yeah, gotta take that tax increase in consideration...



naruball on 12 April 2014
Shadow1980 said:
naruball said:

First of all, thanks for the great posts. It's nice to see someone putting some effort to provide evidence and back up their claims instead of replying as if they're tweeting , as you said (not referring to anyone in particular). 

I too strongly dislike the whole "tl;dr" attitude. Having said that, bena has a point. The comparison is invalid, but not completely invalid. It's not comparing animals with oranges, but it's more like apples and oranges. Invalid, but not completely invalid. 

Thanks. I'm glad some people have the patience to read my posts. I'm not exactly one for keeping things short and concise. I'm all about getting in-depth when I feel the need to.

I do have to ask, though, if Zero's argument is "not completely invalid" then that implies that something is valid about it, so what is it that's not making his PS4-Wii U comparisons completely invalid? I'm not seeing it. From my POV, his comparison is either invalid or it's not, i.e., a binary choice.

See, the way I see it, had he compared first 3month sales of Pokemon Blue/Red to 3 days of sales of Infamous SS, it'd be completely invalid.

But his comparison is about:

a. same gen consoles,

b. same time frame/ number of sales

c. sales of consoles, not a handheld and a conole,

d. comparison of actual video game consoles (not mobile phones and handhelds)

e. things that are not free (i.e. not comparing sales of flappy bird/angry birds with Halo)

f. comparison starting from the launch of each console's sales (i.e.  not any three months of wiiu and ps4 sales).

And the list goes on. 

The fact that his comparison does not take into account the holiday boost makes it invalid. The fact that it compares two things that are similar in the aforementioned ways, it makes it not "completely invalid".



naruball on 12 April 2014
Zero999 said:
naruball said:
Zero999 said:

it's incredibly low, just like I expected. one week won't change that.


Wait, what? That's not what you expected. Nowhere near what you expected. It sold 320k and you predicted 140k. It sold more than double what you expected. I predicted that Modnation racers would sell 3m. It sold closer to 1m. My prediction was way off. I can't go around saying "well, I expected it to sell well, which it did, as I expected". 340k was by no means low. Why is it so hard for people to admit that they're wrong?

I was wrong for the prediction of 1 week, boo hoo. I also said it would freefall after launch, wich is exactly what happened.

The argument was over the first week, not the following weeks.  You were wrong about that and it's fine. We all get things wrong. However, saying "boo-hoo" ruins a proper discussion. Just man-up and admit you're wrong (as you just did), but without the unnecessary "boo-hoo"'s.  The fact that you (and tons of other people) predicted it would fall afterwards is completely irrelevant to this point. Claiming that 320k was low and in line with your 140k prediction did not seem to be the most honest approach to me and that's what I commented on.  Not second week, not third. Just the first and the importance of honesty for an actual discussion that does not resemble the ones found on the youtube comment section.



benao87 on 13 April 2014
Shadow1980 said:
benao87 said:

Wtf, I not reading all that.

It is invalid, I never said it wasn't. I'm just referring to your wording, it is not "completely invalid".

"Wall of text"? Really? It's just three short paragraphs. It took me all of two minutes to read it. What is with people responding anything longer than a Tweet with things like "wall of text" or "I'm not reading a novel" or "TL;DR"? A handful of paragraphs is hardly War and Peace. Sorry, but that's a really freakin' big pet peeve of mine when people react negatively to anything longer than a single paragraph.

Your reply assume I'm like zero, and I think that's unfair. So, I'm not reading something that's not really addressing my points.

Look mate, I understand your defense stand as Internet is full of people taking advantage of every little detail to prove a point. But, you just can't assume that everyone is trying to troll you.

And, yeah, what naruball said with more patience.



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Zero999 on 13 April 2014
naruball said:
Zero999 said:

I was wrong for the prediction of 1 week, boo hoo. I also said it would freefall after launch, wich is exactly what happened.

The argument was over the first week, not the following weeks.  You were wrong about that and it's fine. We all get things wrong. However, saying "boo-hoo" ruins a proper discussion. Just man-up and admit you're wrong (as you just did), but without the unnecessary "boo-hoo"'s.  The fact that you (and tons of other people) predicted it would fall afterwards is completely irrelevant to this point. Claiming that 320k was low and in line with your 140k prediction did not seem to be the most honest approach to me and that's what I commented on.  Not second week, not third. Just the first and the importance of honesty for an actual discussion that does not resemble the ones found on the youtube comment section.

the discussion wasn't about the first week and go tell someone else to "man up".



Seece on 13 April 2014

I agree people should face up to the predictions they make and eat humble pie if they get them wrong, unfortunately that doesn't happen often.