its murder per 100000 inhabitants per year, so its something around 300 murder per year just in detroit.  

Which again, is totally irrelevent to your arguement, since the murder rate has consistantly stayed around that.

what do you mean could? it already has.

You can be socialist and conservative at the same time. There is nothing fundamentally incompatible with wanting the State to be in charge of almost everything (extreme socialsm) and making abortion illegal or tightly controlled. It all depends on whether the socialsm is religiously based or secular/atheistic. You can have free health care at the same time as makiing abortion illegal. What you're getting confused with is liberal socialsm (the secular kind) vs. conservative socialism (the religious kind). Socialism is a purely economic thing: state control of the economy, to a moderate to significant extent in theory for the benefit of all. In particular state control of essential infrastructure and services like power, water, healthcare, education, roading, rail, ports, airports, telecomunications, and other stuff leading all the way up to all industry, land ownership and agriculture, which is where you start knocking on the doors of communism.

The abortion thing was a secondary aside because it sounded like YOU were making that mistake.

 If we're just talking economically.

Look at the way the financial crisis was handled in both countries.

The US government went hands on and controlled it.

The Europeon government just kinda let things play out in comparison.

Additionally, A lot of infrastructure and serverices are owned by the US government.  Either Federally or State wise.

For example.  You mentioned water right?

75% of city governments water supply is done fully with public employees.  (So a higher percentage is actually owned by the governments.)

Thames Water Company in the UK is a private company owned by Australians.  They provide water for 27% of the UK Population.  (This isn't counting any other private water companies that may exist.)

In otherwords?   US vs UK.... the US is more socialist then the UK when it comes to water production... with the laziest bit of resarch.  Only 2%... however when you include other private UK water companies, and count public water supply provided mostly by public citizens.  It likely gets a lot higher.

I picked this one up simply because it seemed easy to look up. (Water resources being a big issue)

Then there was the example in this thread about how the British Mail just got privatised.   US mail is still government owned.  UK doesn't have many toll roads (Being so small and old) but italy's highways are over 50% toll roads.

You are being too myopic in your view focusing soley on healthcare.  Americans may TALK a big game about privatisization and the free market but they don't really follow through outside of a few states.  As such, the overall percentage of privatised infrastructure is low.  (Though because each city and state decides for itself, the rank number looks high).

The distatse for government run healthcare isn't due to the distaste of socialism (even if that's how many put it.  It's due to Americans affinity towards freedom of choice.   For example, unlike most countries, in the US you can't be held for psychiatric care if you have a serious mental disease, unless you agree to it or are a threat.

This isn't due to not having government run healthcare, it's due to it being a consitutional right to refuse treatment.

thats a huge fallacy perpetuated by the ignorant and the arogant internet liberal.

looking at the policies both supported and voted on by the democrats, its quite evident that that are just as far left as the european democracies, and in many cases further left.