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So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.



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An interesting thoughts and opinions in here. Equal rights is the key to all this, doesn't matter of your sexuality you should be allowed to do as others do.

The Mozilla guy used his influence/money to try and force people to not be equal and this isn't right, but his opinions and view are his own to keep and he can keep them. OKCupid had the right to refuse the browser access to their site, it's their site and this guys actions would have hurt a fair amount of their users.

The UK has recently allowed gay marriage. The issue was that marriage is a very religious thing and what is holding back gay lifestyle in our modern word is religion but having faith and belief in religion is a persons right. Allowing gay marriage is a good thing but I don't want the gay community to push too far else they will come off arrogant, I fear gay couples will want to marry in a church and when the Vicar says no, they will force him or and the church via courts to allow it. They shouldn't, it is in his right to deny this and those getting married should accept that else they are no better than those who they feel are persecuting them.



Hmm, pie.

Why punish him? What an utterly futile and pathetic effort, hurting what little moral authority over this issue they still have.

I care, but actions like these sadden me.



SamuelRSmith said:
marioboy2004 said:

Well getting married is a privilege and responsibility not a right...not every adult is in a state where he or she can bear the burden and responsibilities of married life (those in prison, being without financial means,being mentally unstable , etc).  Getting married is a privilege one has in society and in marriage one makes a vow to be faithful to another person.  Those who have children out of wedlock and refuse to raise their own children obviously don't subscibe to marriage as an endowed right.


Freedom of association is an essential human right under most philosophies including the natural law, which is the basis of the U.S Constitution. Calling that association whatever you want is also an essential human right under most philosophies including the natural law, which is the basis of the U.S Constitution.

Both of these are actually codified in the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Yeah I agree that freedom to associate with whomever one wishes is a right but my point was that marriage has benefits and responsibilities.  People can associate with whomever they want, but if I lose my job because I hold to a traditional definition of marriage then I feel that is crossing a thin line.  Should an atheist be neglected the right to work at a Christian institution then and be forcefully fired?



NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.



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nanarchy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.

I assume this principle goes both ways?  Proponents of homosexual should be targeted by traditional marriage backers and forcefully get fired from their jobs?  Vice versa?  Sounds reasonable don't it, sounds like this is what your advocating



marioboy2004 said:
nanarchy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.

I assume this principle goes both ways?  Proponents of homosexual should be targeted by traditional marriage backers and forcefully get fired from their jobs?  Vice versa?  Sounds reasonable don't it, sounds like this is what your advocating

If homosexuals are trying to actively limit their rights or way of life then yes absolutely. Not aware of any groups trying to do that, but it is disgusting when any group tries to use their beliefs to limit the rights of others.



nanarchy said:
marioboy2004 said:
nanarchy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.

I assume this principle goes both ways?  Proponents of homosexual should be targeted by traditional marriage backers and forcefully get fired from their jobs?  Vice versa?  Sounds reasonable don't it, sounds like this is what your advocating

If homosexuals are trying to actively limit their rights or way of life then yes absolutely. Not aware of any groups trying to do that, but it is disgusting when any group tries to use their beliefs to limit the rights of others.


Maybe civil war In a "might makes right" way would be even better. Or let's go back to, "if you disagree with those in charge you get burnt at the stake". Right now all the traditional marriage blockers would be burnt for messing with the big bad government.

 

i guess it's cool and hip to change definitions now, when will polygamy be legalized? Cause they shouldn't be forced to only marry one person at a time you know



marioboy2004 said:
nanarchy said:
marioboy2004 said:
nanarchy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.

I assume this principle goes both ways?  Proponents of homosexual should be targeted by traditional marriage backers and forcefully get fired from their jobs?  Vice versa?  Sounds reasonable don't it, sounds like this is what your advocating

If homosexuals are trying to actively limit their rights or way of life then yes absolutely. Not aware of any groups trying to do that, but it is disgusting when any group tries to use their beliefs to limit the rights of others.


Maybe civil war In a "might makes right" way would be even better. Or let's go back to, "if you disagree with those in charge you get burnt at the stake". Right now all the traditional marriage blockers would be burnt for messing with the big bad government.

 

i guess it's cool and hip to change definitions now, when will polygamy be legalized?

I see no issue with polygamy either, why do you care what 2 or more consenting adults do with each other. I am not gay (I actually find the thought a little distasteful), I don't have multiple wives (just the one I am quite happy with, not sure I could handle....or afford a second), but it is not my place nor anyone elses to decide what can happen between other consenting adults. Everyone has a right to their opinion, no one has a right to impose their opinion on others when it has no affect on you or anyone else what they choose to do.



nanarchy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
So he's not allowed to have his own opinion? If he doesn't support Gay marriage, so what? Last time I checked everyone has a right to their own opinion, or does that only hold true when it suits public perception? People are jokes these days.


Of course he is allowed to have his own opinion, unfortunately though he went further than just having an opinion and tried to ensure his opinion was forced on others through law. It is one thing to be against gay marriage, it is a completely seperate issue to try and actively prevent it. I believe he has a right to his views regardless of how outdated they are, but once he crosses the line from just having an opinion to actively trying to impose his opinion others then he is fair game and I feel no sympathy for him. live by the sword, die by the sword.

Both opponents and supporters of the proposition donated money. It's called active support and it's a perfectly fine thing to do. A thousand bucks, really? That was nothing to him. In fact, if he cared more, he would have donated a lot more.