thismeintiel said:
Raven722 said: Having conflicting opinions is one thing. Taking those opinions and using them as a reason to limit the rights of others, essentially making them second-class citizens, is detestable. You're pissed off that these people lashed out at someone who was paying to see their rights limited? |
Let's be honest. They have never had the right to marriage in the past, so it's not exactly like it was there and then taken from them. They do, however, have all the rights that come with marriage, which is called a civil union. If they want the actual right to marriage in each state, then it's just something they have to fight for. Just as slaves fought for freedom, and later, equality. And women fought for equality and the right to vote.
It's not going to be easy, just like it wasn't for the previous groups. It's not just going to be handed to them. And it's definitely not just going to be harassed out of people. In fact, harassing and getting people fired for not supporting it will only lead to anger, and stronger opposition, from the other side. They need to get out their message and either bring people over to their side of the topic, or at least have them maybe concede, without exactly changing their opinion. I think most importantly, though, if gay marriage is granted in a state, then churches and wedding planners should definitely not be forced to perform the ceremonies.
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Actually, you are mistaken. Same Sex Couple DID have the right to marry and Prop 8 worked to take those rights away. The whole US political system is designed to protect the minority from a tyrannical majority. This is where the courts fixed with the populous eroded - a it was designed to do.
And Civil Unions do not include any of the rights (a good 5000 of them) that come from a federal definition of marriage. It wasn't that long ago that the same rules applied to black and white couples and white and latinos couples in California - they weren't allowed to get married legally till the 1950s. The equal protection clause means we can't treat men and women differnetly ( like they have to let women vote) this ruling follows that guideline.
And NOBODY, like clergy, can ever be forced to before a ceremony. US law separate Church and State which is now some Church get away with refusing to marry couples of mixed race. Neither can force the other to do anything. That's just a argument people to get people upset, but it isn't true at all.